@be With that mindset you don't need convincing to use Linux. Judging from the name, the kind of people L4E might be trying to reach are precisely the people you might find on Discord and other proprietary platforms.
@be How it is encouraging them to use it more? It's just a medium of transmission, it's like complaining about privacy advocates posting videos to YouTube. The people they want to reach use these services already. Also, privacy is not a zero-sum game, some compromises often have to be made. If the information is good, even if it's spread through "bad means" its effects are still net positive
@be So using a proprietary service is so horrible in your opinion, huh...
I suggest you think about what that attitude of yours looks like from the perspective of an outsider and newcomer to the FOSS community. You might find your "two steps back" there.
@cirno Yes, proprietary services are bad. I'm not saying they should never ever be used under any circumstances. But there are plenty of alternatives. There's no compelling reason to choose Discord over them.
@be There is, and it's called userbase. There are compelling alternatives, sure, but if they're not in active use, they will be detrimental to progress. The same way you can spread your message through PeerTube instead of YouTube, but hardly anyone will see it then, and even if you tell people about it and encourage them to use it, having to go to a different platform just for you while everyone else does YouTube will not go well, because most people are lazy and comfortable.
IMO there's nothing wrong with using a proprietary tool if it's significantly better than the open alternative, or if one doesn't exist.
Note: I don't know if Discord is better, but that's what Jason feels is best for his community. If you don't like it, don't join...
@be @kev @lord @Linux4Everyone I enjoy using Discord! I also use Fedora Linux as my daily driver, as well as Matrix, Google services, Windows, and the like. I deeply believe in open source, but the world isn't black and white, at least for me going proprietary SW only or opensource SW only isn't viable. I need a compromise. A bit of this and a bit of that. I known for a fact that platforms like Discord are familiar and appealing to newcomers. No need to be elitist and/or closed-minded.
See, @be dismissed Linux For Everyone out of hand just because we use Discord. Maybe they don't know that I also introduced literally millions of people to Linux at Forbes, or that hundreds have made the switch because of my videos on another proprietary platform, YouTube.
Or that, in general, it's just a great community!
Nope. None of that matters because we aren't 100% FOSS.....
@be "The institution which pressures users to use Discord" being Linux 4 Everyone who decided to make a Discord server, or some upper entity which makes Discord an enticing platform?
#discord seems where gamers traditionally hang out.
@nurinoas If you mean the conversation involving the user icefairy, that's actually me :P
First time using Matrix and I'm quite impressed with what it can do.
@be Honestly, how is that not a win? What is the problem with Linux users who also use Discord? You can switch your OS from Windows to Linux, switch your browser from Chrome to hardened Firefox, use privacy-friendly front-ends for various services, use LibreOffice for office work, Jitsi for meetings, so on and so forth, but if you still use Discord then it's all shite and pointless in your mind?
@cirno Nope, not what I'm saying at all. It's pointless if institutions normalize use of Discord as if there's no problem with it.
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