Genuine question...

Why are people deleting their Keybase accounts?

I assume it’s a result of the sale to Zoom, but I don’t understand it. Yeah, Zoom have had some privacy and security issues, but I think that’s more indicative of their huge rise in popularity, rather than them being a bad company. From what I’ve seen, they’re taking the issues seriously and trying to fix them.

Am I missing something?

@kev I won't be deleting mine. I also won't be using it until we find out more about Zooms plans.

@freddyym @kev It's also worth noting that you can't exactly delete your account. Since they put everything on a Blockchain it's always there. All deleting your account does is mark that it's been revoked. I don't know why more people aren't aware of this.

@WhoNeedszZz @freddyym I actually wasn’t aware of this. That’s very interesting.

@kev @freddyym It was eye opening for me when I discovered it for sure! This also directly demonstrates why Blockchains are really not ideal solutions. Being able to go back and delete data you don't want permanent is an essential function!

@kev If Zoom genuinely cared about security then it wouldn't have taken a massive outrage over countless articles from security experts explaining the lack of security in their product to do something about it.

Personally, I deleted my Keybase account because I never liked it to begin with and didn't trust it before the acquisition.

@kev It's also been mentioned that the "improvements" to security are only applicable for the paid version. They completely left the non-paying customers in the dark and people don't support that.

@kev But I also think there is a big mindset among the typical user of Keybase that they distrust any large company and "decentralize all the things!". So now that Keybase is not run by a small group they don't trust it. Just an observation.

@WhoNeedszZz yeah, I can see why that would be an issue for people who think that way.

@kev actually, straight away I was thinking to delete my keybase account. then I said: "wait, if zoom starts to integrate keybase, means that they will provide an end-to-end encrypted communication. and probably, with the keybase team experience, they will do it properly". and I said to myself "wait fabio, you still don't know what the future will be".

@jolek78 that’s kinda where I am. I wanna see what happens before I make a decision. Plus, the only private thing they have is my PGP key and it’s trivial to replace that and publish a new public key on my contact page. I don’t use those keys anywhere else.

yes @kev , I've seen a lot of stuff happening. I've seen icq being popular because was using a jabber protocol, and then dismissed because was bought by aol. I've seen google being popular because was running under linux, and became the company we know today. I've seen github blamed because was bought by microsoft. and so on... just this time I said "wait". I don't have a zoom account, I don't need it, I don't chat with keybase, but this time just I want to wait before taking actions

@kev keybase is dead, they were acqui-hired. And Zoom is a terrible company, all of their dev team is in China, so that's disqualifying for me.

The Keybase acquisition is explicitly made to improve Zoom code and security, so I don't think there will be much left of Keybase development being done.

@Matter that may be the case, but the fact is, we don’t know that for sure yet. I’m gonna wait and see I think.


> Why are people deleting their Keybase accounts? I assume it’s a result of the sale to Zoom, but I don’t understand it.

I think a lot has to do with the angle – keybase wasn't *fully* open source, but their clients was, and they presented themselves as a friend to FOSS/decentralization (which I never fully bought, but whatever)

Zoom, on the other hand, aren't FOSS at all – in fact, they're the proprietary service that several FOSS projects (e.g. Jitsi meet) are trying to replace

@codesections @kev ah, that's why I got an email that @fedilab deleted their Keybase acconut this morning 😏

@kev I'll agree to this. I may not know much, plan on catching up with a podcast from TechStuff. But the little I did hear, it seems the owner was very much interested in coming to America and starting his own ventures out from the control of CCP. He had a desire to solve his long distance divid from his now wife. As the company goes, I agree. They were not trying to be evil, but, with the rise in popularity they are now discovering flaws, issues, and some minor (back burner) 1/2


@kev issues are now brought to the fore-front to be fixed. I get they have the permissons to collect data and sell it, but so far it seems they are not doing much of that. Also, as far as I'm aware Zoom does not "phone home" to CCP.

With that being said, I'd like to see how Mastodon is defended if it was to grow millions of users over night.

@kev I was already moving away from Keybase as I have now setup wkd for my domain publish my keys to my site and never used Keybase for anything else. So I deleted it after they got bought out by ZoOm.

@kev that turned out to be a surprisingly insightful thread

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