@kev I had the same reaction to that "longevity" argument.
This is simply dishonest marketing.
@killyourfm yeah, 100%. Not sure what planet they’re in to think people will swallow that rubbish.
I'm hyped for the pinephone to get mature software. More than reasonable price and a little more pragmatic approach towards the openness of hardware, so there's no need to rebuild everything from the ground up.
Form what I've seen they've got dip switches on the inside to turn off unneeded peripherals for privacy reasons. I believe they're working in the hardware level. Great feature!
I think your thoughts are correct. The limiting factor of most phones is battery life, not how long the battery will run on a full charge but how long the battery will function. Most phones come with nonreplacable batteries. Planned obselence so you can pay close to $1000USD for your new phone. Does the Librem5 fall into this category?
@sir @kev just because desktop linux is slacking behind on securiry advancements doesn't mean its a smart idea to recommend to end users to pay 800$ for a device which is significantly less secure the mature platforms. If the librem five was clearly marked to be experimental and should be used with caution, i would be fine with it, but currently thats not the case.
Thats kinda weird logic.
Remember security should be done in depth, if the trust in the maintainers fails, you still have trust in the isolation. Also what about folks who want/need software outside of the default repo's? Dont they deserve protection?
@blacklight447 @kev this is that dumb securitybro absolutism I was referring to. "Better security", at any costs. Everything is a tradeoff, and security does not have an infinite weight on that metaphorical scale.
Folks who want software outside of the default repos have the wrong want. It's like wanting to eat burnt tires.
@sir @kev but if your not expected to run the stock os: 1. Why do they even develope it in this case?
2. Then it shouldn't be marketed as something normal end users could/should use, but only tech savvy folks with 800$ to burn.
P.s. the librem 5 is still full of binary blobs, so its not even nearly "truly open"
@sir @kev thats okay, my opinion on the matter is: if you are a tinkerer who likes messing around with your device, then the librem 5 is just for you, but its just not ready for normal end users to adopt, i would say having default disk encryption enabled is a fair minimum requirement for mobile devices.
@sir @kev i would say thats less unlikely then you think, android has had default encryption since (i think?) Android 5, ios has had it for ages as well. Laptops are more problematic, but atleast mac os and linux have out of the box support(not turned on, but support). Regarding windows, MS need to get their ass of the enterprise throne and allow windoes home users to utilize bitlocker
These are all interesting points and I've learnt some things about the Librem5 in the process of reading this thread. I love that they've worked so hard on this phone, and it clearly has potential, but for now, for myself, I'm much happier squeezing every ounce of life out of my Samsung S5 flashed with LineageOS, knowing I've got a spare ready to go if ever I should need it, or as a stripped down travel phone.
@kev @purism To me it's a bit like when Dell publically sell Ubuntu on the XPS for over £1300. They are aiming it at a very niche audience. It's why my laptop is a latitude at half the price and I fought hard to get it. My next laptop will probably be a libretrend. I'm looking forward to seeing the pricing on the pine64 myself.
Very interesting write up kev , I had high hopes for the librem5, but recently based on comments scattered about the web , YouTube videos and in some instances the lack of communication from Purism which has spoken volumes in itself , I feel the Librem5 had lost its shine .
I'm holding out for the #Pinephone to make a bold statement when it's ready for the mainstream.
@GreyLinux yeah, I saw Gardner's video last night on the Librem5 - he couldn't even get 4G or wi-fi working on the damn thing. Now yeah, I get it, it's a beta at best currently, but they're claiming the phone has shipped - I would expect it to be able to do the the basics at least.
As you say it's still in beta technically! and as you say the basics should be solid before it's shipped at all , at the very minimum it should work as a phone . I'm not expecting it to be in the same league as android or IOS and I understand that your paying to support a project like this but at that price I would at least expect it to be a contender for Android.
@kev Not only will it be an utter failure, but I hope it is. I don't want Purism being the brand the represents "Linux" they have never completed a projected, continue to sell not-ready-for-market items, and then continue to announce more and ask for even more money.
All I see is a money making scheme that will end up collapsing costing people thousands.
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