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If you have something to say that’s so long it needs 8 toots to say it, maybe you should just write a blog post? 😉

@pranav no one specifically. I see lots of multi-toot posts, so it was aimed at a lot of people.

@kev
• 8-toots-ful of content won't make for a long enough blog post
• I haven't seen a free-as-in-beer AP-powered non-micro-blogging platform (suggestions welcome!), I assume most haven't either

@bugaevc
You did not heard of @writefreely / @write_as ?
Nor #Plume ?

Even #Pleroma with a default to 1024 chars or #Friendica are not that micro.
@kev@fosstodon.o

@Zykino I have, but @write_as requires a paid account in order to post non-anonymously (or did I miss something?), and @writefreely requires self-hosting, so I'd again have to pay for it (or does anyone host a free-to-use instance?)

@bugaevc
I'm not sure but it's the same peoples behind both.

I know plume has some opens instances
@write_as @writefreely

@Zykino @bugaevc @writefreely Our "trial" on Write.as is free and unlimited, time-wise. Great for a blog that you update infrequently: write.as/start/trial

Otherwise some instances are here: writefreely.org/instances and here: fediverse.network/writefreely

@write_as @Zykino @writefreely @rtwx wow, thanks a lot for all the suggestions! I'll definitely consider using Plume or a trial write.as account!

@bugaevc @Zykino @write_as write.lain.haus is free to use!
Also, with a few tweaks even mastodon allows for as long a post as you need (cyberia.social is at 4096 chars)

@bugaevc surely a blog post can be as long or as short as you want it to be?

@kev @bugaevc indeed. platforms like Medium, Tumblr and the ilk might have reinforced the academic (it has to be at least four paragraphs) notion of an essay

@bugaevc @kev

write.as/ is all about blogging and it's focused on AP.

And tbh, two toots could fit into a blog post (since they're capped at 500 chars)

@bugaevc

Check out #Plume: joinplu.me/

I run an instance as well but haven't had time to write anything yet.
plume.nixnet.xyz/

There was a lot of drama with write.as a little while ago because they *said* it was open source but really wasn't, then they open sourced some components and not others, they violated the license they were supposedly using, a lot of stuff. As far as I can see, it's all sorted now but I tend to shy away from projects like that.

There's a popular term for projects that say they're FLOSS and aren't but I can't remember what it is right now; it's a play on companies that also say they're "green" and energy-efficient but, again, aren't.

@kev Are you talking about a case of verbosity (one long-winded thought split over 8 dense toots) or stream of consciousness (one or more tangential thoughts, poorly articulated across 8 short toots)?

@sean I haven’t honestly given that much thought to it. It was just a flippant remark. I don’t actually care if someone multi-toots (did I just coin a new phrase?) I was just being silly.

@kev An observation, character limits for posts/toots/whatnot are instance-specific, correct? Is there a de facto "standard" for max length?
@kev Perhaps so, but I wonder how many instances stick to the default? Just curious if there is a consensus value. IMO, 500 seems a bit low. My own (Friendica) instance is set considerably higher.

@sean we stick to 500 on Fosstodon. Personally, I don’t recall ever struggling with that limit and needing to multi-toot.

@kev does your instance support the "collapse long toots" thing? 🤔

@kev but what about long replies? writing a blog post to respond to a toot is less convenient than simply threading your replies. the thread is both more digestible and also immediately present.

...hmm, i think this would be more interesting if mastodon actually supported authoring Article objects that didn't have character limits...

@trwnh If an instance admin has cli access, they can modify some files and increase the toot limits.I've set mine to 2000 but I find that I *rarely* go over 1500.

@amolith they still get federated out as a Note, which is a misrepresentation imo. although the difference between a Note and an Article is a bit hazy, i guess? some people say formatting, sone people say length, some people say the presence of a title.

i think in masto's case we could say length. but changing the character length for all toots is not what i'm thinking. i meant more like a toggleable per-post option that marks it as an Article and disables character limit.

@trwnh @kev yeah I was going to say this is a more of a fault of the client

@trwnh if it were me, I’d construct my response so it didn’t need multiple toots.

@kev that doesn't really work when you have a lot to address

@trwnh which brings me back to my original point - if you have a lot to address, a micro blogging platform probably isn’t the right place to do that.

@kev well, that brings me back to my point as well -- that threaded replies are more convenient than switching environments entirely, then pasting a link to a blog post in reply to someone. Thus, it would be convenient to have native support for posting slightly-longer-form content. The jump from 500 characters to 4000 characters is not unrealistic, especially for extended substantive discussions.

@kev That's when you increase the character limits on your instance to something higher than 500 😉 I find that 1500 is about perfect. I have gotten close to the 2000 limit I set for my instance before but 99% of my toots are under 1500. It's the perfect length for longer conversations in DMs or toots with a few URLs.

@amolith I’ve never really had an issue with 500 characters personally.

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