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If you have something to say that’s so long it needs 8 toots to say it, maybe you should just write a blog post? 😉

@pranav no one specifically. I see lots of multi-toot posts, so it was aimed at a lot of people.

@kev
• 8-toots-ful of content won't make for a long enough blog post
• I haven't seen a free-as-in-beer AP-powered non-micro-blogging platform (suggestions welcome!), I assume most haven't either

@bugaevc
You did not heard of @writefreely / @write_as ?
Nor #Plume ?

Even #Pleroma with a default to 1024 chars or #Friendica are not that micro.
@kev@fosstodon.o

@Zykino I have, but @write_as requires a paid account in order to post non-anonymously (or did I miss something?), and @writefreely requires self-hosting, so I'd again have to pay for it (or does anyone host a free-to-use instance?)

@bugaevc
I'm not sure but it's the same peoples behind both.

I know plume has some opens instances
@write_as @writefreely

@Zykino @bugaevc @writefreely Our "trial" on Write.as is free and unlimited, time-wise. Great for a blog that you update infrequently: write.as/start/trial

Otherwise some instances are here: writefreely.org/instances and here: fediverse.network/writefreely

@write_as @Zykino @writefreely @rtwx wow, thanks a lot for all the suggestions! I'll definitely consider using Plume or a trial write.as account!

@bugaevc @Zykino @write_as @writefreely write.as free version can post as user account but isn’t publicly discoverable so limits audience that way.

@rtwx @bugaevc @Zykino @writefreely That is, it's not publicly discoverable on our read.write.as site. It's still indexed by search engines, you can access it from the fediverse, share the URL around, etc. No restrictions as far as those things go :)

@bugaevc @Zykino @write_as write.lain.haus is free to use!
Also, with a few tweaks even mastodon allows for as long a post as you need (cyberia.social is at 4096 chars)

@bugaevc surely a blog post can be as long or as short as you want it to be?

@kev @bugaevc indeed. platforms like Medium, Tumblr and the ilk might have reinforced the academic (it has to be at least four paragraphs) notion of an essay

@bugaevc @kev

write.as/ is all about blogging and it's focused on AP.

And tbh, two toots could fit into a blog post (since they're capped at 500 chars)

@bugaevc

Check out #Plume: joinplu.me/

I run an instance as well but haven't had time to write anything yet.
plume.nixnet.xyz/

There was a lot of drama with write.as a little while ago because they *said* it was open source but really wasn't, then they open sourced some components and not others, they violated the license they were supposedly using, a lot of stuff. As far as I can see, it's all sorted now but I tend to shy away from projects like that.

There's a popular term for projects that say they're FLOSS and aren't but I can't remember what it is right now; it's a play on companies that also say they're "green" and energy-efficient but, again, aren't.

@kev Are you talking about a case of verbosity (one long-winded thought split over 8 dense toots) or stream of consciousness (one or more tangential thoughts, poorly articulated across 8 short toots)?

@sean I haven’t honestly given that much thought to it. It was just a flippant remark. I don’t actually care if someone multi-toots (did I just coin a new phrase?) I was just being silly.

@kev An observation, character limits for posts/toots/whatnot are instance-specific, correct? Is there a de facto "standard" for max length?
@kev Perhaps so, but I wonder how many instances stick to the default? Just curious if there is a consensus value. IMO, 500 seems a bit low. My own (Friendica) instance is set considerably higher.

@sean we stick to 500 on Fosstodon. Personally, I don’t recall ever struggling with that limit and needing to multi-toot.

@kev does your instance support the "collapse long toots" thing? 🤔

@kev but what about long replies? writing a blog post to respond to a toot is less convenient than simply threading your replies. the thread is both more digestible and also immediately present.

...hmm, i think this would be more interesting if mastodon actually supported authoring Article objects that didn't have character limits...

@trwnh If an instance admin has cli access, they can modify some files and increase the toot limits.I've set mine to 2000 but I find that I *rarely* go over 1500.

@amolith they still get federated out as a Note, which is a misrepresentation imo. although the difference between a Note and an Article is a bit hazy, i guess? some people say formatting, sone people say length, some people say the presence of a title.

i think in masto's case we could say length. but changing the character length for all toots is not what i'm thinking. i meant more like a toggleable per-post option that marks it as an Article and disables character limit.

@trwnh @kev yeah I was going to say this is a more of a fault of the client

@trwnh if it were me, I’d construct my response so it didn’t need multiple toots.

@kev that doesn't really work when you have a lot to address

@trwnh which brings me back to my original point - if you have a lot to address, a micro blogging platform probably isn’t the right place to do that.

@kev well, that brings me back to my point as well -- that threaded replies are more convenient than switching environments entirely, then pasting a link to a blog post in reply to someone. Thus, it would be convenient to have native support for posting slightly-longer-form content. The jump from 500 characters to 4000 characters is not unrealistic, especially for extended substantive discussions.

@kev That's when you increase the character limits on your instance to something higher than 500 😉 I find that 1500 is about perfect. I have gotten close to the 2000 limit I set for my instance before but 99% of my toots are under 1500. It's the perfect length for longer conversations in DMs or toots with a few URLs.

@amolith I’ve never really had an issue with 500 characters personally.

@kev I actually kinda like posting things as multiple toots, and splitting them up by paragraph. Bad inherited habit from Twitter and SMS, I guess.

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