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Why doesn't have CalDAV/CardDAV support out of the box? Seems strange that they don't support such open standards by default.

@kev
What do you mean? There is lightning calendar and contacts addon which you can use to synchronise your calendar/contacts online. I know it works with Nextcloud, but haven't used it for months.

@johnathan012 @kev
Except on *ubuntu the Lightning calendar is already integrated into Thunderbird with Cal/CardDav support out of the box.
Maybe you should be more precise regarding your operating system and Thunderbird version before complaining...

@kev to be fair, thunderbird hasn't been really maintained for some time now, so probably no one's bothered to get to it.

@MrControl @kev I think your impression of is out of date. They've re-invested in it, hired a full-time team, and pushed out multiple releases in the last year. It's having a comeback moment right now.

Here's their roadmap for 2019: blog.mozilla.org/thunderbird/2

@apetresc TIL! Had no idea they were back on it. Downloading now.

@MrControl @kev Thunderbird has had dedicated developers for some time now, and they are pushing out new releases.

@kev @MrControl
@opentrash

the answer given by @johnathan012 is correct. Lightning has been part of the standard Thunderbird installation since Thunderbird 38. It supports CalDAV as well as CardDAV. Please don't post or boost false information. Thanks :)

@zalandocalrissian @MrControl @opentrash @johnathan012 ok folks, let's untwist those panties shall we?

Granted, Lightning supports CalDAV, I'll give you guys that - oversight on my part there, sorry. But from what I can see, CardDAV is not supported out of the box. What am I missing?

Please note: I'm not really bothered, as I use Evolution which has both bundled in by default without the need for plugins. :-D

@kev @zalandocalrissian @MrControl @opentrash
My intention wasn't to be aggressive, I just wanted to be helpful. There is addon which enables you synchronisation with online accounts.
Addon description: "A new Thunderbird address book based on the CardDAV and vCard standards"
Gitlab source: gitlab.com/CardBook/CardBook

@johnathan012 you didn’t come across as aggressive, and my flippant remark wasn’t aimed at you. 👍

I’m aware plugins exist that add the functionality, but I would have thought it would be available without them on an app like Thunderbird.

To me it’s like having Firefox without bookmark support.

@kev Yes, I understand you, and I agree that it should be integrated in Thunderbird. But its not much of a bother to install it, just few clicks away and CardBook is open source. I stopped using Thunderbird because I switched to different e-mail provider which doesn't support IMAP so I might be lagging behind, but I know Lightning and CardBook worked for me with Nextcloud, they should also work with other providers.

@kev I too think about it. Have to use so many plugins just to have decent contacts syncing

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