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English: Software disenchantment

I would like to say I am mostly agree with this post:

tonsky.me/blog/disenchantment

Español: Desencantado con el software.

Me gustaría decir que estoy muy de acuerdo con esta entrada:

tonsky.me/blog/disenchantment/

@jrballesteros05 i think i've read that post some time ago.. yes i agree. that's why i'm on slackware and fvwm and build many of the things i need myself. even if that initially takes longer, i know that i don't have constand random things breaking then.

@iron_bug

@bonifartius @iron_bug I am very tempting to try Kiss Linux, but I think my future will be any BSD, in my opinion they are doing things better. I don't like their license though.

@jrballesteros05 That's a great article, and I tend towards agreeing with it as well :)

@sotolf This is one of the part I most liked it.

"Windows 95 was 30MB. Today we have web pages heavier than that! Windows 10 is 4GB, which is 133 times as big. But is it 133 times as superior? I mean, functionally they are basically the same. Yes, we have Cortana, but I doubt it takes 3970 MB. But whatever Windows 10 is, is Android really 150% of that?"

I know that security stuffs make software more complex and heavier but, so heavier?

@jrballesteros05 I just find it quite laughable that if I start up one electron app it doubles the memoryconsumption of my machine, which means one application uses more than everything else on my machine, which is why I stay away from such things. Give me an effective and fast TUI and I'll be a happy camper, now I grew up using dos back in the day and still now use vim and other tuis as much as I can, they just work well and are fast and mostly light.

@sotolf I always try to stay away from those crap but even the terminal apps are not safe, the fucking systemd is a good example of extended crap software.

The first time I saw "systemd", "flatpak" and "electron" I used to say "cool" but when I experimented how they destroyed and become GNU/Linux slower now I realised they are copying all the crap from Windows and MacOS.

I guess my future is on any BSD despite I don't like anything that license.

@jrballesteros05 I still have never used flatpack, and I'm keeping away from electron, systemd is harder to get away from for me without having to switch over to another distro than what I use, but that's probably something I'll do the next time I'm going to install an operative system, which probably is going to be in many years still.

@sotolf I don't try to convince you but if you want to switch to a non-systemd distro, I blindly recommend you Artix, it aims to be the Archlinux without systemd.

I don't recommend you to migrate, I think it's better a fresh install. But I get your point. Arch and Artix are so stable and reliable that you have to wait long time to switch.

I also want to try KissLinux or Gentoo, but I have to wait a lot too.

@jrballesteros05 Yeah, Artix would probably be what I'd move over to, either that or maybe void, it seems to be quite solid as well, Artix has the bonus too that it would be very similar to arch which I'm used to as well, so well. For the time until now at least most of my installs run at least 5-7 years or the lifetime of the laptop that I'm running it on, since it's usually just rolling along.

Gentoo just seems a bit cumbersome as I tend to run on older/cheaper hardware.

@sotolf I worked in a place in Colombia, I mounted an Archlinux server, a very old server. They haven't upgraded since I left the job in 2010.

Then I have a friend who is still working there and he showed me they still use the server lol. Which I said it better you never try to upgrade xD and he told me "We never do" hahaha.

Archlinux used to use RC init that time, fortunately it's not exposed to internet but it should have thousands of vulns. And many people say Arch is not stable.

@jrballesteros05 Yeah, I started using arch in the RC init days as well, I really liked that system, but sadly they chose to go with systemd :)

Yeah I've been running arch for over a decade by now, and it's been rock stable for me, the only times it breaks is when I do something really stupid some times, but then it is because I have played around with stuff that I shouldn't have :p

@sotolf If you used Arch with RC init then I guess you are as old as I am 😛 . Those days when the "@" used to send many services to background 😂

I haven't seen Artix broken because I haven't do anything stupid yet. But sometimes I get boring so it's like something in my gens that make me do stupid things.

@jrballesteros05 I wanted a newer ncurses once, borked the update and symlinked the library :p then it wouldn't even get all the way to the command line when booting since the shell couldn't run anymore :p then I had to chroot into the system and fix it from there, but it was a quick fix :p

Yeah that was the good old times, I remember I used to mess up the order of services some times and not understanding why it didn't want to boot normally :p

@sotolf The wiki used to show me the services shouldn't be sent to background. Then I used to do it and I used to ask myself why the system didn't boot.

@jrballesteros05 Yeah, old arch could be finicky about some stuff like that, but it was a lot of fun :) sill is, but systemd does not really feel like it fits in with how arch used to be at least.

@sotolf It doesn't fit because it doesn't respect the "KISS" principle. I learnt that word because of Arch, now they barely use it, even in the wiki. Of course I have to admit systemd brought some good stuffs.

@jrballesteros05 Yeah, it's what it is, they chose to go with it for convenience I think to not to have to patch too much as many new packages are built with systemd in mind, but then again that's mostly an assumption on my part ;)

@sotolf That's is a community problem too, because instead of agree a fucking standard everyone did what they wanted, now there is a init which is bad by design but solve a huge problem that has been for years.

@jrballesteros05 Yeah, I wish that we standardised on something else, but I guess wishes don't count for much :p at least from the next time on I can vote for ones that I like more rather than reluctantly use something that I'm not a big fan of.

@jrballesteros05

As a general trend, we’re not getting faster software with more features. We’re getting faster hardware that runs slower software with the same features.

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@robby It's like when many people say how Windows has improved with years, but they don't realised that sensation of improvement is because the SSDs, because Windows is the same crap that has always been.

@jrballesteros05 only thing I found a bit weird was this statement:

Linux kills random processes by design. And yet it’s the most popular server-side OS.

To my knowledge, this only occurs when the system completely runs out of RAM + swap. How do other systems handle this? It seems like it shouldn’t be too difficult to rig up a Linux based system to dynamically grow / shrink swap as needed to avoid this also.

@robby That's why I said "I mostly agree" (Bad grammar in the original toot by the way).

That's one of the things I don't completely agree. I never see how Linux kills random processes.

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