distros are like religions: you have one, I have one. We can cohabitate, we can even be friends, as long as we avoid the topic of which one is better.

For completeness:
Let's consider agnosticism, in all their forms, a religion. Similarly, let's consider non-Linux-based OSes, in all their flavors, a Linux distribution.

( Some people use multiple distros, or follow more than one religion )

P.S. The same idea holds for languages, people get almost religious about them.

@jalvarez What if I'm open to having a better distro than I have currently? :)

@jalvarez pretty sure I can’t be part of 3 religions simultaneously

@blueberry, I believe you can learn something from all of them. Being officially part of their community, that might be more difficult, yeah. :P

@jalvarez That might be true for some (none mentioned), but there's a lot of Linux based operating systems that have a really friendly userbase as well! The most friendly that I personally know, is Gentoo. You probably won't find a more agnostic, anti-elitist and friendly community than that. :)

@hund @jalvarez If you filter out the newest or youngest member of any pool of distros you find quite a friendly community, now I'm trying to keep away from some of the arch places because it's filled with more evangelising people and people that feel elitist, I've also had really great interactions with gentoo people :)

@sotolf @jalvarez I don't agree with new people being an issue though. I find them humble and friendly. :) That's the reason I still hang around in the Ubuntu community, even though I haven't used it for a long time myself. I like helping newcomers and I like the friendly tone.

When I think about it, there's really just one community that's toxic and hostile, which is sad, because it's a good option if you want something that just work, if you don't mind wasting disk space and bandwidth. :)

@hund @sotolf @jalvarez

I used to be very heavily invested in the PCLinuxOS commmunity up to around late 2011, after I left the pclos dev team and moved to being an Arch user, I pretty much stopped using distro specific community forums entirely, primarily due to the tribalism that is present in some of those communities (especially noticable around Arch).

These days my daily Drivers are Kubuntu and NixOS, although I am tempted by Gentoo, and whats happening with Funtoo and Sabayon

@hund @jalvarez With new people I mean people that just moved over from ubuntu to arch or similar, because in my experience for some reason they tend to have a superiourity complex for using arch over something else, usually after a couple of years it tends to mellow out, and they come to the realisation that it doesn't really matter, I've been on arch for ~12 years by now, I don't see any reason to be smug about it since it's just something that works for me, nothing that makes me superiour.

@sotolf @jalvarez Oh, sorry. Those kind of beginners. :)

I remember being proud about installing Arch when I was relatively new to Linux. I didn't acted like a prick to others though. :) After all, it's not *that* special. Any idiot can follow a wiki and copy paste some commands. ;)

@hund @jalvarez Yeah, people tend to make it out to be a lot harder than what it really is, which is why I think is kind of sad, because it kind of attracts those kinds of people. Maybe gentoo is spared since it actually is hard enough to keep some of the people away :p

I didn't either, but neither are everyone driving a BMW an asshole, but if you are an asshole the chances are big that you're driving a BMW :p

@sotolf @jalvarez Gentoo isn't complicated at all. Just don't tell anyone. ;)

@hund @jalvarez :) I want to do gentoo some time, but I'm usually on cheapo devices that will probably take a while compiling, even stuff I do from the AUR some times takes quite a while to compile, so unless gentoo does some magic to do compiling faster I'll probably not be able to move on to it. Also I'm very comfortable on arch, so I'm hesitant to move :p

@sotolf @hund @jalvarez USE flags are that magic! On Gentoo you can set system-wide or package-specific USE flags, which lets you choose whot features you wont to compile. The more features you choose to not compile, the less time compiling takes.

@robby @sotolf @hund @jalvarez I did appreciate Gentoo. It taught me many things. Namely, building a kernel is a pain, especially if you need Speakup. But then again, probably not the best choice for a second distro to learn.

@sektor @sotolf @robby @jalvarez Building your kernel isn't *that* complicated. Stick to the defaults and only change the things you know what they do and only add the drivers needed for your hardware.

It will take a few trial and errors before you nail it, but it's rather rewarding when it finally boots and everything works. :)

@hund @sotolf @robby @jalvarez I did get it working on my Acer for about a month. Hit many brick walls trying to get it to run on my Alienware.

Not sure what speakup is, so I probably don't need it, I'm a pretty basic guy, so as long as I have a web browser and some terminals I'm happy :p @robby @hund @jalvarez

@sotolf @jalvarez What settings are you using for the compiler(s)? :)

I used Gentoo on a antique dual core CPU (E8400) with 2 GB of RAM. It worked alright. Even on my decade old computer, my custom kernel takes only about 10 minutes to compile.

@hund @jalvarez I'm not sure, so probably defaults :p

Yeah, I have 4GB memory and a dual core 2.3 ghz processesor, so it would probably be doable :) and I think I've seen that bigger things like browsers often have binary packages as well? :)

@sotolf @hund @jalvarez As a total gentoo noob, I found the experience fairly user friendly, so as long as you don't try to go into testing package territory.

Things like DE's and Browsers are what take forever to install/update :D

I do miss Gentoo sometimes and will hopefully go back one day :P

@ndanes @hund @jalvarez DE is no problem since I never use one anyway, and wms are usually pretty quick to compile, I think the browser is the biggest thing that I have installed on my system, if you don't count minecraft :p

@sotolf @jalvarez Defaults.. That's like driving your car, but you're only putting in the first gear and then wondering why it's so slow. ;)

I don't know how Arch does things, but I would look it up. You're probably only using one core.

@hund @jalvarez quite likely yeah ;) I guess there are some settings somewhere, and very likely it's in the wiki, I just need to sit down and learn it some time ;)

You mean you're not supposed to leave it in the first gear? damn... :p

@sotolf @hund @jalvarez /etc/makepkg.conf for anything that's using a PKGBUILD. PKGBUILDs can and often do overwrite the defaults.

@murks @hund @jalvarez Ah, thanks yeah, that makes sense :) I knew it would be something simple like that, it's one of the things I appreciate with arch, it's very user friendly, or I'm just used to how it works :p but at least it's me friendly.

@sotolf @hund @jalvarez If you want to read up on it, this is a good starting point:

This should be required reading before ever installing an AUR helper but that's unfortunately not the reality.

@murks @hund @jalvarez *blush* I've been using AUR helpers for over 10 years by now, and I don't think I've read up on it, so I count as one of them :)

@murks @hund @jalvarez Mostly just to install the first AUR Helper, I know how it works, in theory, but then again I don't install that much from the AUR, It's pretty simple to do them manually, it's just nice to have the helper update things for me :), I guess I'm kind of lazy that way, hasn't really made many problems, apart from the one time I managed to botch up the main curses library, that was fun, but luckily easy to fix with a chroot from a rescue disc ;)

@sotolf @hund @jalvarez Yeah it's really not difficult to use makepkg directly and the AUR helpers are just a bit of convenience, especially when you are using more than just a handful of scripts from AUR.

I'm just not a fan of e.g. Manjaro shipping an AUR helper by default and making the AUR appear like a properly maintained regular repo.

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@hund @sotolf Most modern build systems try to use all the available cores by default, I think. ;)

@sotolf @jalvarez And yes, you have things like firefox-bin and even gentoo-kernel-bin. :)

@sotolf if you really set make.conf according your CPU, the majority of programs is done within a few minutes. I have a decent machine, so even something like Firefox is done in 30 minutes - so I think even that would be doable overnight 🙂 @hund @jalvarez

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