Anyone know how to get out of #Ukraine? I hear there are no flights or trains. Perhaps private shuttle buses or something like that?
Specifically interested in getting from Kropyvnytskyi (Кропивни́цький) to the EU (or at least further west) somehow.
Asking for a family member.
Thank you to everyone for your boosts and replies. We're grateful for them all. My contact (sister-in-law) is well and sitting tight. The roads sound dangerous and there have been no attacks in her city yet...
Of course that can change any moment so it's good to know what her options are. Her things are packed and she is ready.
Good news! Last night, my sister-in-law arrived safely at our place in Berlin. She ended up traveling from #ukraine via Moldova, Romania and Poland. It was an exhausting journey, but she received a lot of hearfelt help along the way - in particular in #poland.
Thanks again to everyone for all your support!
@iooioio Good luck to you. Borders of Poland are open for refugees from Ukraine. Only passport needed, no visa.
@iooioio i am an American and do not have personal experience with trying flee a country at war, I have just tried to pay attention to stories of modern refugers.
My guess for most similar situation is with refugees fleeing Syria. The people who made it out to tell their story found a smuggler who knows the route and who to bribe to get through check points and battle lines and pay a bunch of money for their services.
Also prepare for some long hikes.
@odesa Update: She filled in the form shortly after you sent us the link but no response yet. It's been quiet in her city so perhaps there isn't much traffic there right now.
@iooioio From what the news say, the roads leading west seem to be just one big traffic jam because so many people are fleeing. I read yesterday evening something about someone starting in Kiew by car and only getting 35 km in Western direction within several hours.
So if fleeing is still the only sensible option, your relative should probably not use direct and main roads, I assume? Even bad roads will be better than full ones. If they don't have their own car, maybe it's possible to find someone who can take them with them. Very important would be to bring enough food & water for a couple of days.
I assume it's not wise to head to Poland, because everyone is trying to go there, but instead to Slovakia, Hungary, or Romania. Hungary probably being a bad choice for political reasons / how refugees are usually treated there.
At the moment, it looks as if Ukrainian refugees will be welcome in EU countries, so it hopefully won't be a problem to cross the borders.
@iooioio (Please take my advice with a grain of salt; I'm writing this from my comfy home office in Germany, so I don't exactly know anything about the actual situation and can only make assumptions.)
@iooioio I saw this on FB, I can't guarantee the information is invalid - I hope it's not some russian misinformation. Take it for what is worth.
@iooioio What I’ve read so far is that people are walking during hours towards the west. Sometimes they start using a car until they run out of gas.
I have no advice however.
Looking at the map, might be complicated to reach the West right now from that position (if they are still there). I don’t know if it’s best for them to avoid cities and going through countryside, or the other way. And it’s cold out there.
@iooioio Just saw this: in this tweet, there’s a link to a Telegram channel/message where The Kyiv Independent has posted schedules of evacuation trains leaving today from Kiyv. Don’t know if there are from other places, but might be useful information.
@finn Yeah, thanks. I can only piece together fragments on my own but I used DeepL to translate it and forwarded the original.
@iooioio Slovakia also lets refugees from Ukraine in, also there are help groups and laws being passed to help with integration
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