Facebook is scared of alternative platforms
@huy_ngo They claim it is spam, which is isn't. They are blacklisting links to their competitor. Would a judge agree that this link really is spam?
@mplammers It is certainly not a spam. Also, a text explaining Mastodon has been omitted from this deletion notice, which made it looks like I just posted the link.
Aaand.. just found another example where @yhancik is the victim.
@humanetech @huy_ngo @yhancik Also observe the quick replies saying it's a filter issue. Could be. I was thinking something along the lines of the #memphis thing recently. Something else is however suggested when both Twitter and Facebook are involved. It's too early to tell, as most of the examples trickling in are currently from Facebook.
Also: https://fosstodon.org/@huy_ngo/106918172670206946 ML decision is never to be trusted, and I believe people at FB are smart enough to realize that. An unappellable removal like this seems deliberate to me.
@humanetech @huy_ngo @mplammers @yhancik if you're interested in a twitter shadowban example, see the bottom of https://tfardet.srht.site/various/social_networks.html
This has been going on for more than a year
In my book a shadowban (a la reddit) goes further, also hiding the invisibility from the target as well as their followers.
In this case it is not done in a hidden way, as the posts are tombstoned publicly. (I can also see the "This tweet is not available." replacements)
While shadowbans would be worse, not being available for challenging these removals is at least as shady.
@mplammers ok, that's why you thought it was no shadowban: using twitter you don't see the missing posts, there's no notice
@tfardet It's worse than I thought then. Someone else here described them edit out the tweet itself, leaving just the link, making it look more like spam.
I hope it was clear that my interpretation of the word shadow ban is no notification, not to followers, not to the author. If you hold another interpretation of the word I can't blame you.
Wikipedia describes shadow bans as being not immediately apparent to the user:
@huy_ngo Welcome to monopoly :) Would a tinyurl be blocked as well? (I don't have a FB account for testing)
@wwwgem I just start the deletion procedure now so I can't test either, but iirc shortened links are blocked way before that, which I deem a not-so-unreasonable decision.
@fedops It just doesn't send with a notice saying something along "This message can't be sent". I'm experimenting it many times enough to be sure it is not a network issue.
@huy_ngo wow, that is really dystopian.😡 Thankfully I got the one contact I care about off of FB messenger so...
@huy_ngo Truthfully, I don't really understand everyone's obsession with Facebook (or Twitter, Microsoft, or <Insert-Big-Company-Here>).
@bpepple because it negatively affects their lives. And given their scale, the number of the affected is large.
@huy_ngo They are *choosing* to use that service. If they don't like the rules the company has, don't use it. There are plenty of alternative platforms/OS's.
@huy_ngo my only experience with Facebook is via a screen scraping rss feed for the "group"(?) of my home village
In that, I mainly see pictures of dog poop and people complaining about dog poop
I assume other Facebook posts are of a similar content quality
We should not be worried about facebook . ticktok , youtube etc, they are set up for commercialisation
What we should concentrate on is creating, building and improving these alternative to all that. We have that, with peertube, pixel fed and here on Mastodon etc.
We are doing this of course.
Of course if facebook et al start to threaten us then we should take action in self defense of our right to privacy.
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