Gnome 41 is offering features that other distributions have taken it upon themselves to build for the last few years - power management, a better app store, workstyle-configuration (e.g. workspaces).

I'm glad that Gnome is catching up to the crowd, but it seems like the other distributions had to work hard to make up for Gnome's stubbornness for the longest time.

I'm incredibly grateful for the work Gnome does, but it's only recent that they seem grateful for their users (and their opinions).

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Maybe I'm in the minority - but for the longest time it felt like Gnome was making decisions based on a user-type that was nothing like myself. That forced me to do quite a bit of work with every release to maintain the workflow they had introduced me to originally.

I'm really happy working on PopOS lately. The desktop features I appreciate the most are all productivity related: workspace configuration, tiling-mode that is easy to use, and little nods like power-management.

I believe FOSS works best when projects limit their scope to "doing one thing exceptionally well" - be it a library, binary, or even a desktop. In the case of Gnome, I think they'd contribute the most to the ecosystem if they created a desktop that was a framework more than a product. Expect that your consumers will tweak, adjust, and extend it. The main "feature" you deliver is the ability to tweak almost any setting and have it not break (or at least provide for a wide array of inputs).

@funnylookinhat yeah but that’s KDE… I personally prefer Gnome specifically because it is how it is. I believe FOSS works best when there is diversity in the ecosystem 😉

@funnylookinhat which also plays well into Pop!_OS and Cosmic. They are a new and different take on Gnome, and that’s awesome!

@funnylookinhat honestly, System76 has (like you said) really done a lot to drive Gnome forward

@staticvoidmaine That may be true, but KDE lacks the support and energy of the broader FOSS community unfortunately. It just gets less attention, less developer cycles, and thus produces something slightly less usable (to my experience).

I've heard that KDE has improved quite a bit in the last few years, but at this point I think it would be more work to contour KDE to my workflow than stick to something Gnome-based.

Also - Pop OS is great. :D

@funnylookinhat Maybe GNOME could create a spin-off organisation then? They could continue their on opinionated approach to the the desktop from there.

I like the changes they’ve been making but I’m not a fan of them being forced on the whole ecosystem.

@colinkiama Yeah I think you're on to something - they need to separate their stakeholders to either desktop users or desktop builders. A separate organization focused on the core functionality would definitely help move in that direction!

@RyuKurisu @colinkiama Yup - I used PopOS and love it! I think they could do more work more easily if Gnome focused less on producing a desktop and more on producing a framework.

If anything, Gnome Desktop should just be a reference implementation of the produced framework.

@funnylookinhat besides, we've already got a locked down Gtk-based distro: elementaryOS! So no need for GNOME to also lock everything down.

@RyuKurisu I don't know if I would describe it as "Locked-down" as much as "Highly-refined" - but I suppose the former is a product of the latter.

@funnylookinhat I would call "highly-refined" great defaults, but have the opertunity to change them, but in elementaryOS you can't change many of the defaults 😎👍

@funnylookinhat I really wonder there is so much hate on Gnome in recent years. I used to be a distro hopper until PopOS came out and I just felt at home. I try other DEs and just can't get going on them. I don't fully understand why.

One thing that does bother me is the Alt-Tab behavior. You don't cycle through the multiple terminal Windows, just the most recent one. So I need to use my mouse to click the icon in the tray. There's probably an extension to change it....

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> I really wonder there is so much hate on Gnome in recent years.

Yeah I think they simply stopped listening to their users and designed / developed in a void. That produces something that might look nice on paper, but rarely is functional.

> Alt-Tab behavior

Try Alt + ` - it will cycle through windows. Or - what I do, Alt + Tab to the app I want, then Alt + ` to get the window I want.

@funnylookinhat @MrDers and recently there was a blog post by a GNOME developer that simply said "Every preference has a cost" which is ridiculous considering basically *all* distros use GNOME on their main flavour :thonking:

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