We've done quite some interviews, but would really like to know from the fediverse too:

What's currently your most important motivation for using LinkedIn, Xing, Indeed, etc:

@flockingbird My ideal would be to be able to network with professionals I have worked with or could work with, to talk about best practices, tips and/or new ways of doing things, technologies etc.

@danslerush Interesting!

The way we envision it, is to leave "to talk to" to other networks. we believe there most often already are established channels "to communicate", or otherwise can easily use such channels.

In any case: to not introduce yet another "stream" or "inbox".

Instead we want people to link to their channels: mastodon accounts, blog, email, facebook (...), telegram group etc.

Would that work? Or are you expecting something more or something different?

@flockingbird Totally ! I think the main thing is a matching feature based on knowledges and if people know each other. Maybe a resume type presentation (public or not, defined by the user), skills and links to other websites, define localization (or remote working), languages spoken/written and let ActivityPub manage the part adding contact and communication.

What I talked is what I miss on LinkedIn (I'm fed up with cheesy storytelling and low philosophical sentences, I'm there to talk work) 😉

@danslerush We want to start with simple matching based on "competences" and "aspirations". Both are simple lists of keywords that a person maintains.

If you have the competence "Graphic Design" and aspiration "Rust language", and someone else has competence "Rust language" aspiration "UI Design", there's a good match right there!

We're trying to find a model that might work, without waving the magic "algorithms" or "AI" wand around. And we think competences + aspirations is that.

@flockingbird Good point, very good point I love this simplicity. I'm just a bit afraid that it only works well in case of active search, no ? If we just want to network, we just put a general "aspiration" ?

I'd like also to warn against the inclusion of endorsement tools, as in my experience they become popularity contests and
completely unreliable. Also predefined roles if possible,
you want to avoid the LinkedIn effect :(



Thanks for the suggestions. Indeed, a good balance between "engaging" and "enthralling" is crucial. We can and should do better than "silicon valley".

For now, we want to start simple and only let you manage your own list of competences and list of aspirations. (limited in amount and length). Each keyword can be limited in visibility too (privacy).

Others can tag you though; an important feature, but one that could spin into some popularity contest or spam-feature so we must be careful.

@flockingbird In my own personal experience I, myself, have been endorsed for skills or competencies that the person doing the endorsing would have no possible way of judging objectively (i.e. they didn't work in the same field).

They just happened to "endorse back" or support me because I was their friend/colleague.

I'm sure this is a widespread phenomenon. Some way of gauging the validity, via shared expertise, bio etc. might work.


> Also predefined roles if possible,
you want to avoid the LinkedIn effect

I don't understand this. With "role", you mean your job-title? And why is this a problem on Linkedin, large enough for you to call it "the Linkedin Effect"?

We want to build something that is empowering and furthers our ideals, so avoiding mistakes and solving problems people have on other platforms is very important to us.

@lps I haven't (nor the spanish one 😀 ).

But while this exposes a problem that a lot of social media have (image!), it does allow for a more diverse and inclusive, use of a platform.

What if you *are* the witchdoctor of a south african village? Are you now forced to place "priest" as your job-title, just because we westerners cannot fathom such a job? Or if you are the diversity-manager of a large IT company, yet we don't yet know this is an upcoming thing and therefore disallow it?

@flockingbird Well, maybe something as simple as limiting the number of #tags you can attach to your profile. If you cannot describe what you do with 3 or 4 descriptors I think you need to improve your communication skills;)


Something like
Field: Finance
Job Description : Soul Sucker
Proficiencies : none

ha ha

@lps certainly! Limited in amount and limited in length.

And choosable from "commonly used" suggestions (a dropdown) to nudge people to (re-)use existing tags/titles/tags.

Obviously instance owners can deny certain tags, but that is for the admins of that community to decide.

We certainly don't want this (horrible, I might say) instagram-alike hastag-soup.

@lps @flockingbird this is so great.
Such effects are even visible inside companies 🙄


"I don't understand this. With "role", you mean your job-title? And why is this a problem on Linkedin"

Yes, it is a problem, maybe drop-down menus to choose, field, job title etc. with an option "not listed? Contact us"

@flockingbird to 'potentially in the future' be able to reach out to 1st- or 2nd-order contacts for professional purposes.

The big advantage is the 'trust context' is right there: the fact that (in the case of 1st-order contacts) we met at some point and linked, and (for both) which community/links we have in common, rather than being "some random person cold-emailing".

@raboof This is probably our most important use-case indeed.

When you look for a translator or carpenter, you search your network first. "Oh, nice! Janice from HR is French, maybe she can help". But also "I don't have any carpenters in my network, but I see ex-colleague Patrick knows four of them".

I considered this part of "To hire someone, freelance or as employee" but now think that option was phrased poorly.

@danslerush nothing - I haven't *ever* had a single "professional" account in my life, and all my job contacts and referrals were due to face-to-face relationships, just like old times.

@kzimmermann How lucky you are, in France a lot ... I mean a loooooooot of digital service providers exist and almost systematically come between each supply and demand, so that responding directly to a job offer is almost impossible. This kind of account allows you to keep in touch after a service and, one thing leading to another, to create a network to go beyond that 😕

@danslerush yeah, it's sad to see that so many companies are flocking to these platforms. HRs are getting lazy and outsourcing more and more like that.

I guess I'm kind of lucky indeed, but perhaps not for too long.

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