@fatboy Great that so many people are switching over, but this just demonstrates how another centralized app is not the solution.

@wdavery @fatboy The problem is that Signal is a company from US. And the new government can easily put stop to their existance. We need federated solution, independent from US based big tech companies. That's how we will make the next internet.

I will not give my phone number to signal.

@parasurv @fatboy Totally with you there. I think we have to agree it's at least a step in the right direction. Anything that gets the average user thinking more critically about the services they use is a win in my books.

What's you preferred alternative? I love what Matrix is doing.

@wdavery @parasurv I agree with the federated solution, but the apps and backends that exist are not ready for the massive demand, and also is not as soft and comfy to use as the centralized alternatives.

Element is still in development, fluffychat is better, registration and federation on Matrix is still unreliable, xmpp has the best backend for scaling but the apps are limited and not as pretty as people expect.

@fatboy @parasurv I'm excited for Matrix in about a year or two. Once the server(s) are more mature and lighter, and the clients are polished.
One of the biggest selling points for me is that it can scale in features based on user needs. Simple user uses a simple client to talk to a power user who uses it far more extensively.

@fatboy @wdavery This is very true. Right now we don't have any tool that can accept millions of people. Not just on chat front, but the fediverse too.

@fatboy @wdavery @parasurv Agreed on the XMPP front. Of course, on that front the whole experience and especially the apps has a way too 2010s or even 2000s feel for most people these days

@parasurv @wdavery @fatboy

Running from centralized big tech controlled platforms to centralized big tech controlled or at least dependent ones make no sense at all. Yet, so far, that’s all anyone is doing

@fatboy Finally this shit goes down and proves that centralization is never the solution 😃 I have waited for that to happen over the last few days.If you want *reliable* messaging services,use Matrix,Jabber or Session.

@nipos @fatboy I agree that centralization is not the solution. But I don't think we should celebrate Signal being down for users looking for more privacy.

Is Signal perfect? No, but it's much better than whatsapp and the company's model is a more open and ethical model that is not seen much in the mainstream. Singal getting more popular is a step in the right direction while decentralized alternatives get better. That's the way I see it

@weltsnake @fatboy I don't think so.Centralization is a big problem.It will only lead to a second Whatsapp with all its problems and disadvantages.Also it's hosted on Amazon AWS which I absolutely don't trust.And the boss of Signal publicly states that he hates decentralization.That's everything but a step in the right direction.

@nipos @fatboy I agree with those points. But the singal app being open source as well as their server code and absolutely everything being e2e encrypted, even the very minimal metadata being encrypted.. you can’t call that a second WhatsApp. Signal can also be forked as it was done with sessions. Centralization and aws IS a problem, but it’s miles better than everyone being on WhatsApp and giving more data to Facebook. People moving to signal and giving less power and data to Facebook is only a good thing

@weltsnake @fatboy Signal is open source but unfortunately not free as in freedom.You can take the app source and remove the proprietary bits but then they'll lock you out of the centralized servers,making your fork useless.Session is a decentralized network which isn't controlled by a single company so it's free as in freedom - You can fork the client and still talk with everyone who uses the original one over the same network.

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