That is tough.
@fatboy If you are not in any large group chats, it is not that hard. Delete WhatsApp and ask the people you really want to talk to if they could install the messenger of your choice. Worked really well for me.
@Winterstar Yeah, that's the thing. I'm in a few group chats with only one being very important :(
I've tried #XMPP. fail. (nobody else in my circle wanted to use it)
I tried #Matrix. fail. (nodbody else in my circle wanted to use it)
I tried #Signal. fail. (won't work without google services)
I tried #Tox. fail. (half the time messages just don't get delivered)
Not sure where to next, but if you find something, let me know ;)
@falgn0n Try Wire Secure Messenger
WhatsApp has the main community, but even with the privacy advertisement, it's really questionable.
And Signal, it's cool and paladin of privacy, but again, you will need to use GPS to work properly, not cool (and less safe).
That's how I see this problem.
I got the same problem...Slowly trying to educate peers regarding the need for quitting #whatsapp.
I use only #XMPP and atleast people close to me are now forced to start using it 😬 ....And when I make new contacts and people ask for whatsapp number, it is easy to educate them regarding this, thus getting more people to use XMPP...But I think the point is to stick to one format - #XMPP, #Jami, #Briar or Whatever...If u switch now and then, people lose confidence in u.
There should be a version of Signal on their site that works without the google services. There was a huge drama previously and they don't allow anyone to publish the builds anywhere else. We can't even have a version on Fdroid. It's fucking ridiculous. It's one of the things that annoye me freaking lot with #Signal. But ehy, at least installing directly from their website the apk it should work.
Once I find a working #TWRP for this phone (Huawei PRA-LA1 with EMUI 8.0), I will root, flash and try signal again :)
@krageon @fatboy @falgn0n @eater Signal has worked fine for me for years on CyanogenMod with MicroG. However, the toxic dev is certainly a downside, and their update policy is plain stupid. There’s also the issue that the signal-deskop application doesn’t work if you have noexec on /tmp.
I’ve been looking at alternatives, and Jami has popped up. I wanted to try it out but I need a more up-to-date Android version for it. Then again, I also need a newer Android version if I want to get the next Signal updates (and Signal refuses to send messages if you’re not on an up-to-date version, even if there’s no technical limitation to sending a message).
FWIW, dropping WhatsApp is incredibly easy. Just stop using it and tell people to just call you if they need something important, or use a good ol’ fashioned email if they have something to tell you that’s not-so-important. People always complain that they can’t drop because other friends are using said service. But I somehow doubt that WhatsApp is more prevalent than people having a phone and email-address.
@krageon @fatboy @falgn0n @eater That’s a fair concern, however, this does not eliminate email from your reportoire. Which is still written text, has a plethora of applications available on a plethora of systems, is well-established, and more prevalent than usage of WhatsApp, Signal or any other hip protocol.
@fatboy good luck with that! I don’t think I’ll ever be able to ditch WhatsApp unfortunately. 😔
@fatboy DO IT : D
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