Question:

Why is Office365 still a thing? My company uses it and it is so painful and they are PAYING for it! I just won't really understand...

@poetgrant LibreOffice is hella ugly, still. Like, it legit looks like MS Office 2003...16 years later

I'm all for FOSS, you know this, but when the alternatives aren't attractive, in a physical office that already looks drab, I'd prefer Office365

Why's it painful for you?

@brandon it is slow. It doesn't always work. The email client is web based now. The word processor I actually don't have much issue with, but the email environment... well let's just put it this way, I haven't checked my email for iver a year now. I tell my boss and the IT team that they can come tell me face-to-face or send me a message on the terminal app that is our warehouse inventory interface.

@poetgrant Office365 has the option for a local Outlook install, it's your enterprise that either hasn't installed it for you, or hasn't paid for a license (I read something about it being a separate thing?)

Outlook Web is not the only option for Office365

@brandon even still, I think it is the ugliest and most bloated program I've ever used. I mean, I'll put it this way, I would prefer to use the web interface to mail.riseup.net, which is basic and not very helpful, than MS outlook. Just the RAM usage bugs me because we have PCs with 2GB of RAM and i3 processors on the low end that really can't handle a mail app that takes over half that RAM just to turn on.

I guess I wonder why pay for it when there are so many better alternatives for free?

@poetgrant It's "industry standard" and it's hard to break that mindset. But I am on the same page as you. If only there were alternatives that were as "complete" as Office365.

Yes, you can argue that LibreOffice is better until you're blue in the face, but until LibreOffice begins to offer corporate-level support and the majority of techs are familiar with it, tough shit I guess? Also, I'm sure a business would prefer Office365 alone compared to using two solutions: LibreOffice+Thunderbird

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There's also the Google factor to consider: realistically, for many enterprise use cases, if they switch away from office365 they'll be switching to gsuite apps. As much as I'd love to see a libre solution gain traction at the enterprise level, I don't see a realistic path forward (in the short term, anyway) so I'm left hoping that Office365 can hold on, if only so that Google doesn't take over.

@codesections @poetgrant AFAIK usually the larger enterprises go with O365 and the smaller ones (less than 50 employees) go with the GSuite.

I had an interview for a startup with about 20 employees and they were "all about the cloud." Not sure if that was the startup mindset or the small business mindset though

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@brandon @codesections @poetgrant My employer (4000+ employees) uses gsuite, fwiw. We're public sector, though, so that may make a difference.

@erikstl @brandon @codesections I know Google is bad and all, but I strongly prefer the Google approach to things. A lot cleaner and simpler. Also not resource heavy on client side... with that said, I don't use google products anymore either for other concerns.

@poetgrant @erikstl @codesections same here on the Google front. I'll be setting up NextCloud tonight woohoo! :)

@erikstl @codesections @poetgrant depending how public, yeah it might me a difference. I can see something like the DMV using it over O365, for the fuck of it.

@erikstl @codesections @poetgrant Hmm, yeah makes sense considering the possible number of sites with a limited infrastructure budget

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