@dajbelshaw That was an enjoyable read.

As one of the many who work in a hierarchical environment, it can be incredibly annoying to be overruled when arguments for/against something are perfectly valid but don't fit with the view of the decision maker.

Efforts to move to a more "consensus" based approach are happening but the hierarchy still exists and can/does generally still get their way with some concessions.

I've added that book to the ever-growing list of "should read".

@gray Thanks! It's worth adding dedicated time in your (work) calendar to read these kinds of books, I think.

Just as you "can't be what you can't see" you "can't grow if you don't know" 😉

@dajbelshaw I can see the reactions now.

"I need to clear some time on my calendar to do something"

"Depends. What is it?"

"I want to read a book"

"HAH! No, keep working slave".

@dajbelshaw
> In consent, we ask “do you object?”
(...)

> With consent, individuals will not have as much power as they have in decisions requiring unanimity. On the other hand, with consent, a majority will not have power over a minority.

I'm skeptical about the conclusion
Would you be interested in me expanding on my skepticism? (probably starting with counter examples)

@davidbruant It's the difference between the following:

1. Expressing a personal preference in a consensus situation (which could lead to a veto of the proposal by a minority)

2. Expressing an personal preference, but no actual objection, in a consent situation (which means the proposal goes through)

It's one of those things you probably need to witness or be part of to 'get'. Hence my suggestion that people come along to workshops.

@dajbelshaw I've lived my fair share of alternative governance (sociocracy, shared governance, etc.) and my skepticism is rooted in these experience
in the limits i've lived of these models

that said, i haven't been part of your workshops specifically, so you may have a way to implement sociocracy that does not contain the limits i've witnessed in other collectives

@davidbruant Oh I haven't got any magic pixie dust, and I think these things are actually a spectrum when they're usually presented as binaries.

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