To setup self-hosted email or not to setup self-hosted email...THAT is the question. Hmmm.
@cooper set it up. It is a good journey. At least that's what I felt
@berandajiwa Seems like it would be fun.
@cooper Setup self-hosted email server \o/ Please, If you keep some notes or write a post, I'll be glad to read it and do the same. . \o/
@lemeteore Yeah, I think I might hold off based on the overwhelming responses/input. 😂
It was a fun adventure at least for me, but I never heard of anyone actually using it in the end
@cooper I thought about it and decided to give mailbox.org a try.
To me, it's just too much work for a single e-mail address.
DKIM, SPF only goes a way, but clearing up IP range from deny lists, contacting some domains to add your server IP to their allow list and keeping an eye on updates, server storage, etc.
I don't know. I prefer staying with someone that does it for me.
Cloud storage, on the other hand, I would prefer to manage personally.
@cooper take your time. Recommendations on how to set it up can be found here:
Takes a day or two, but afterwards you get how mail works and that helps you to debug any other mail service configuration you'll find in the wild or run later at home (because you don't want to so all the automation yourself).
I enjoyed reading this one as well, https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/how-to-run-your-own-e-mail-server-with-your-own-domain-part-1/
@cooper I've been running my current e-mail servers since 2012 (I had been running my own prior to gmail in 2004 as well).
I'm glad I do, but be aware it's going to be difficult to send mail to people on other providers:
@djsumdog I've been wondering for some time now, if something like a class-action lawsuit against the large email providers could be feasible? They've essentially taken a public service and are holding it hostage. My current mail server is the second time I've taken up the task, and wow has it been a PITA this time.
@unicornfarts hmm .. I doubt it. There's no legal requirement for any provider to deliver e-mail. There's no real `cost` you can sue over. It kinda takes me back to the 90s when all those rumors/chainmails were going around about "e-mail tax" or "electronic stamps" .. to the point where congress passed a lot saying they would never tax e-mail just so people would stop writing them about it.
@djsumdog seriously that was a thing? I don't remember ever hearing about a email tax. wild.
@unicornfarts I thought it was mostly rumor (and impossible to actually implement, even if it wasn't), but there are old 90s articles like this one:
@crodges Great point. Might look into it but, I am a bit of a "from scratch" kind of guy. 😀
@cooper I'm happy with mine. Cisco's Talos Intelligence is finally reporting my server's reputation as neutral instead of poor. And the IP has been staying off of spamhaus.org's blocklist. I got unlucky with my IP having been put on a blocklist sometime in the past, which complicated things for me.
If you come across any problems, feel free to share them with me while this is all still fresh in my mind lol
@unicornfarts Will do. Thanks. 😀
@cooper I did it for a while but it's hard work. I'm sure the big email providers randomly block emails from hosts they don't recognise. You have to live with never being quite sure if your message got through.
@daz Yeah, that might be a deal breaker then.
@cooper Doesn't GMail make that really hard? IIRC you have to get some sort of authenticity token
@cooper do it!
@utahcon How can anyone resist, with a GIF like that.
<harnesses Viking power> AHHHHH!
@cooper I considered this. In the end, I settled on a compromise between traditional email providers and completely self-hosting: ProtonMail. It's not self-hosted, but it IS FOSS (at least the basic plan is free) and chock-full of enough security features to keep me happy. Might be worth a look!
@nicole Yes, I currently use Protonmail and am pretty happy with it. 🙂
Don't do it. It only leads to heartache and eventual retreat.
@cooper How about shared hosted email? Is this a viable alternative?
@cooper I wrote a guide not too long ago. It goes over different hosting providers and tries to avoid telling you how to reinvent the wheel: https://www.materialfuture.net/posts/blog/2020-04-email-server/
The guide doesn't suit every use-case of course as it's just one of many ways to setup a mail server.
@cooper is there any nice guide for it?
@paranoidtechie Take a look at the responses to this toot. Several people have posted some reading literature. 😀
@cooper there is also mailcow.social. Which is pretty nice
@cooper I enjoyed it for a couple of years, but it became a headache in the long run as it’s so crucial. I ended up paying someone else to do it so I don’t have to worry.
@kev @cooper Fully agree with @kev. It can become a headache dealing with maintenance and uptime over the long haul. In my case, it seemed like a cool and fun thing at first. But after a while I was spending my free time maintaining my servers instead of tinkering with new things and I eventually moved to a hosted service with my custom domain. Now, my email still works 24/7, but I got some time back in life. 🙂
@cooper I've thought about it, but decided I'm not interested in it enough to put in the work and follow through. Rather just pay a service. I would be interested in reading about someone else's recent journey though.
@cooper Sure, if you have some self-harm issues. I use Mailbox.org myself, they're cheap and works good. :)
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