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To setup self-hosted email or not to setup self-hosted email...THAT is the question. Hmmm.

@cooper set it up. It is a good journey. At least that's what I felt

@cooper Setup self-hosted email server \o/ Please, If you keep some notes or write a post, I'll be glad to read it and do the same. . \o/

@lemeteore Yeah, I think I might hold off based on the overwhelming responses/input. 😂

@cooper
It was a fun adventure at least for me, but I never heard of anyone actually using it in the end

@WhoNeedszZz @cooper

Do you have occasional problems with google blacklisting your mails?

@wuwei Nope. The only blocklist I've had trouble with is a random one that a government agency uses.

@cooper

@cooper I thought about it and decided to give mailbox.org a try.

To me, it's just too much work for a single e-mail address.

@lasombra Once you get it configured correctly it honestly isn't much work.

@cooper

@WhoNeedszZz @cooper Well, correctly doesn't depend only on you, right?

DKIM, SPF only goes a way, but clearing up IP range from deny lists, contacting some domains to add your server IP to their allow list and keeping an eye on updates, server storage, etc.

I don't know. I prefer staying with someone that does it for me.

Cloud storage, on the other hand, I would prefer to manage personally.

@lasombra As you are implying, no, it doesn't just mean anti-spam services. It's not for everyone and you do need to be willing to put in the time and effort to do it. I thought it was worthwhile.

@cooper

@WhoNeedszZz @cooper Well, each to their own, I believe.

I mentioned that it wasn't for me. To me the cons outweigh the pros today.

Maybe in the feature the balance will change. 🙂

@cooper take your time. Recommendations on how to set it up can be found here:

workaround.org/ispmail

Takes a day or two, but afterwards you get how mail works and that helps you to debug any other mail service configuration you'll find in the wild or run later at home (because you don't want to so all the automation yourself).

@cooper I've been running my current e-mail servers since 2012 (I had been running my own prior to gmail in 2004 as well).

I'm glad I do, but be aware it's going to be difficult to send mail to people on other providers:

battlepenguin.com/tech/how-goo

@djsumdog @cooper That's a great and insightful article and is precisely the problem with e-mail. Corporations have hijacked this open, federated protocol into being more closed. Made worse by how plenty of people rely on Gmail and Outlook on the regular. Maybe this wouldn't be so bad if people used email services like ProtonMail, Tutanota, or some other email service that uses open-source software like Postfix. But that's unfortunately the case.
For Traboone and Sandia Mesa, I plan to do the same. However, like you, I do recognize the risks about emails possibly being difficult to send to those on other providers.

@djsumdog I've been wondering for some time now, if something like a class-action lawsuit against the large email providers could be feasible? They've essentially taken a public service and are holding it hostage. My current mail server is the second time I've taken up the task, and wow has it been a PITA this time.

@unicornfarts hmm .. I doubt it. There's no legal requirement for any provider to deliver e-mail. There's no real `cost` you can sue over. It kinda takes me back to the 90s when all those rumors/chainmails were going around about "e-mail tax" or "electronic stamps" .. to the point where congress passed a lot saying they would never tax e-mail just so people would stop writing them about it.

@djsumdog seriously that was a thing? I don't remember ever hearing about a email tax. wild.

@unicornfarts I thought it was mostly rumor (and impossible to actually implement, even if it wasn't), but there are old 90s articles like this one:

wired.com/1999/07/un-proposes-

@cooper if you use something like , most of the work is done for you, and you could be up and running in one or two hours.If you like, you can do another one from scratch. Naturally, doing from scratch is more work but you also learn much more.

@crodges Great point. Might look into it but, I am a bit of a "from scratch" kind of guy. 😀

@aqueleviniciusmedina Thanks for the shout-out. To self-host is definitely not necessary as all data in Tutanota is encrypted. ;) Any questions, we're here to help! @cooper

@Tutanota @cooper hey I'm a free user, the least I could do is point to you guys.

@cooper I'm happy with mine. Cisco's Talos Intelligence is finally reporting my server's reputation as neutral instead of poor. And the IP has been staying off of spamhaus.org's blocklist. I got unlucky with my IP having been put on a blocklist sometime in the past, which complicated things for me.

If you come across any problems, feel free to share them with me while this is all still fresh in my mind lol

@cooper I did it for a while but it's hard work. I'm sure the big email providers randomly block emails from hosts they don't recognise. You have to live with never being quite sure if your message got through.

@daz Yeah, that might be a deal breaker then.

@cooper Doesn't GMail make that really hard? IIRC you have to get some sort of authenticity token

@utahcon How can anyone resist, with a GIF like that.

<harnesses Viking power> AHHHHH!

@cooper I considered this. In the end, I settled on a compromise between traditional email providers and completely self-hosting: ProtonMail. It's not self-hosted, but it IS FOSS (at least the basic plan is free) and chock-full of enough security features to keep me happy. Might be worth a look!

@nicole Yes, I currently use Protonmail and am pretty happy with it. 🙂

@cooper
Don't do it. It only leads to heartache and eventual retreat.

@cooper How about shared hosted email? Is this a viable alternative?

@cooper I wrote a guide not too long ago. It goes over different hosting providers and tries to avoid telling you how to reinvent the wheel: materialfuture.net/posts/blog/

The guide doesn't suit every use-case of course as it's just one of many ways to setup a mail server.

@paranoidtechie Take a look at the responses to this toot. Several people have posted some reading literature. 😀

@cooper I enjoyed it for a couple of years, but it became a headache in the long run as it’s so crucial. I ended up paying someone else to do it so I don’t have to worry.

@kev @cooper I’m pretty happy with ProtonMail and a custom domain. Gives me all the privacy I need from a private email server and their team of security experts take care of all the server maintenance. A nice email interface too (their new one still in beta that is).

@kev @cooper Fully agree with @kev. It can become a headache dealing with maintenance and uptime over the long haul. In my case, it seemed like a cool and fun thing at first. But after a while I was spending my free time maintaining my servers instead of tinkering with new things and I eventually moved to a hosted service with my custom domain. Now, my email still works 24/7, but I got some time back in life. 🙂

@cooper I've thought about it, but decided I'm not interested in it enough to put in the work and follow through. Rather just pay a service. I would be interested in reading about someone else's recent journey though.

@Trustnowan @cooper today with all the providers you can choose I think It's pointless. Also you can use a free service like protonmail, buy a domain and pay a suscription to simplelogin (as an example) to have more alias

@onion @Trustnowan Yeah, I know that it's not the most "convenient" route. I'm absolutely satisfied with @protonmail . This was more of a project idea. Seems like it would be a bit of a pain, though. 😋

@onion @cooper Yep. I'm pretty happy with the combination of Anon Addy ($12 yr) and Protonmail Pro ($8 mo). Frustration free.

@cooper Sure, if you have some self-harm issues. I use Mailbox.org myself, they're cheap and works good. :)

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