You know, I think about data protection and all that. I think about privacy. I hear everyone blame the companies for all their privacy woes and all I hear is whining. I have whined about it too I guess. Google never lied about their intentions. They were very upfront with how you paid for their awesome and free products. I feel like FAANG shouldn't be apologizing or taking responsibility. The user gave up responsibility willingly and it is up to the user to take back responsibility.

@poetgrant That's true to a certain extent, if you're actually using their products, but several of the members also track and maintain extensive data about you even when you don't use their product. That is not because the user chose to use those services, but because site owners the users visits (invisibly) chose to use particular services. This tracking has become so extensive it's difficult to fully extricate yourself.


@poetgrant I agree with you that in the end it's up to users to protect their privacy by choosing products and services that protect it.

I also agree with @mike and @kwnd, however, that the privacy implications are not always clear to users (it wasn't Facebook who made the Cambridge Analytica story public, for example!) or they are tracked without their consent.

There would not have been so much noise around GDPR if previously tracking would have been fully transparent and with users' consent.

@colomar @poetgrant @mike @kwnd
Yeah, if it was true that every user is aware and consciously consenting to the tracking, those companies wouldn't be panicking about GDPR, and wouldn't need to use those dirty UI tricks where refusing to give consent is intentionally made difficult.

Why do they need to consciously consent? They are on someone else's property. I don't ask for your consent when I record you and your conversations when you are on my property. I also don't consciously consent to the local jiffy Mart recording me when I go in to buy a candy bar.
@colomar @mike @kwnd

@poetgrant @colomar @mike @kwnd
I've seen "video surveillence" stickers on shop doors many years ago and I think they were always obligatory. And Facebook is more like someone's shop in the city centre, rather than someone's house.

Also, the network effect. You don't lose contact with your friends by buying milk in a different shop than all your friends. But you do by using a different socnet.

@poetgrant In Germany at least, you are required to put up a sign at the entrance of a building informing people about the presence of video surveillance.
That means that people make an informed decision when entering the building.
You are also required to ask for consent when recording calls to a hotline, as another example.

@Wolf480pl @mike @kwnd

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