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helix-editor.com/ seems like a decent-enough vim-alike. But it really got my hopes up for no reason by calling itself "A post-modern text editor."

A text editor where your code is recognized as a social construct? Innovative and exciting!

… but, no, it's just a "slightly more modern version of something that already called itself modern." How disappointing.

(And if you think programming can't be post-modern, I disagree: youtube.com/watch?v=Zx_Tjp9WII
wall.org/~larry/pm.html )

@codesections i've been sorta interested in some of the post-vim editor attempts, but i'm stymied by the realization that for example even the very good vim emulation in something like evil is insufficiently complete to be compatible with my vim usage habits. i'm not sure i have the wherewithal at the moment to attempt a pretty-close-but different editing model.

@brennen @codesections #Kakoune is the most interesting #Vim-like, with command syntax tweaks (not changes) more than justified by the free "chaining" of commands it enables. @icedquinn had a dream of a kakoune-mode for #Emacs (fitting Emacs better than evil-mode).
@wyatwerp @brennen @codesections you can immitate some of it by just re-binding stuff in evil-mode. although kakoune has multiple selections as the main mode of operation, which requires some janky elisp to do in emacs.

@brennen

> i've been sorta interested in some of the post-vim editor attempts, but i'm stymied by the realization that for example even the very good vim emulation in something like evil is insufficiently complete to be compatible with my vim usage habits.

Out of curiosity, what do you miss? I made the shift from vim → evil and haven't really missed much. (Not trying to change your mind; just curious about what I might be missing)

@codesections it's been a couple of years since i last tried, but even at the time i couldn't exactly have told you what was wrong - just that i kept winding up in states that were a few characters off my expectations. i think a lot of it was around cursor position and line endings.

@codesections saw it yesterday and think I will give it a serious try given that I never did that with vim.

And "post modern" was a joke, said so in the faq 🙃

@yarmo

> And "post modern" was a joke, said so in the faq

Yeah, I saw that – which is why I didn't give them a hard time about misusing "postmodern" (my original instinct).

I just said they got my hopes up that it'd *actually* be a post-modern editor, but then it turned out that they were just kidding

@codesections same—I read the article only because of that promise of postmodernism!

@yarmo
OK, you all will forgive my ignorance. Every time I have heard that word used it was in mockery. It seems like you are implying that postmodern would be a positive attribute, a selling point. Did I get that right? If so, would you mind elaborating.
@codesections

@yisraeldov @codesections yeah nah, you are absolutely right. I was curious what they meant by it, wasn't actually expecting some "post modern" whatever that means

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