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Mozilla has announced finalist for their replacement. exple.tive.org/blarg/2019/09/0

I *really* hope they go with a free solution—hopefully community feedback will convince them of the importance of free software.

… which you'd think wouldn't be necessary, but…

@codesections well that's a bit better. Luckily Slack tends to be universally hated, so I'm not *too* concerned they end up picking that.

Still baffled proprietary ones were even thought of at all, Mozilla really needs to get their stuff together

@Matter
@codesections
Mozilla employees need to interact with people at other organizations, who are likely already using slack to communicate with them. So it's not too surprising from that perspective. But it is a little weird from the perspective that the slack client is embeding chromium.

@Matter @codesections it seems internal usage of Slack isn't going away at all, so I'll be surprised if they choose a free solution in the end.

@steko @Matter

> it seems internal usage of Slack isn't going away

Maybe I'm too optimistic, but I'm still hopeful that they won't go with Slack. True, the post says

> Regardless of our choice of public-facing synchronous communications platform, our internal Slack instance will continue to be the “you are inside a Mozilla office” confidential forum.

But that's the use-case Slack most directly targets, and the one it's best at. I'm hoping they'll go with something else for public chat

@steko @Matter

> But that's the use-case Slack most directly targets, and the one it's best at.

*note*: I still find Slack very unpleasant to use for that use case. But it's still the one they're best at, even if I don't like it.

@codesections you'd certainly want to think that, but after the last decade+ working for companies / orgs founded on free software (and open source hardware), what i have learned is that to a first approximation the only people who give a shit about software freedom are the programmers / systems folk, and only such of them as haven't been thoroughly infected by the twinned ideological plagues of marketing & capital.

@brennen @codesections I suffer from the plague of mortgage.

But if anyone would go free I think it’s Mozilla. It’s how they’ve justified all their hypocritical stances over the years. (Not that I think they’re unusually hypocritical. They’re just unusually transparent about it. Kind of refreshing in a warped way.)

@codesections
"Discord’s terms of service, particularly with respect to the rights they assert over participants’ data, are expansive and very grabby, effectively giving them unlimited rights to do anything they want with anything we put into their service. Coupling that with their active hostility towards interoperability and alternative clients has disqualified them as a community platform."
Good to know

@datatitian

> Discord’s terms of service, particularly with respect to the rights they assert over participants’ data, are expansive and very grabby, effectively giving them unlimited rights to do anything they want with anything we put into their service.

And yet I still use Discord every day because two open-source projects I contribute to use it as their primary platform. Sigh.

@codesections Riot looks really good. Wish I had friends or an organization to use it with :(

@codesections their internal dependence on Slack is very short sighted, and a pretty major breach of their basic organisational principles. Makes me quite sad to see it.

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