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I'm looking for a fairly rugged, dependable laptop running under with decent hardware support.

My instinct is to go with a ThinkPad. Anyone think I'm wrong about that?

If not, which ThinkPad?

@codesections I got a used X240 a few months ago for about 200€ it’s enough for my development needs and pretty sturdy. Also you can replace a lot of parts which is always great.

@codesections Can’t go wrong with a ThinkPad. Think @kev has one that he likes. Mine is ancient, but still going strong.

@codesections Thinkpads are great. Skip the *40 generation though if you use the trackpoint (which you should).

@codesections Oh, and beware of anything that reads discrete/dedicated/nVidia when it comes to graphics.

@codesections I have a T580, and I'm pretty happy with it. Not sure if I'd buy it again though tbh.

I really like the keyboard and having a numpad. The trackpad is acceptable, and I like the physical buttons, but if you have even slightly wet hands, it stops working for an hour, and I have to disable it and use the nubbin. Battery lasts a good few hours (and can be swapped). My main issue with it is that it's quite large, and probably more powerful than I need.

@george_ @codesections

I’ve got a refurb T420 running Kali. Amazon has them cheap. My only complaint is I wish the screen was brighter but most people don’t like as bright as I do. My usage has been pretty light but it works fine. Typically it’s running a few terminal sessions, Signal, and I keep my browser tabs pruned.

The keyboard is the best laptop keyboard I’ve ever touched. It’s freaking amazing. The builtin wifi interface is aircrack-friendly which is a boon.

@codesections
Used thinkpads are the way to go IMO. There are too many models to give a suggestion worth anything without some details on your needs/wants. Screen size? Cpu power and max ram? Traditional notebook? Touchscreen? 2 in 1?

@kelbot
@codesections
Seconded, but also just look at the x220s and x230s, and see if they'll meet your needs?

@codesections As others have said, avoid the 40 series (eg: X240, T440, etc) as Lenovo implemented a very weird trackpad in those models and then quickly reversed course in the following year. Refurbished/used Thinkpads can be a great deal. Linux is well supported on the majority of ThinkPads. Some of last year's models (X1 Carbon, T480s) began using a new sleep state which caused some issues in Linux but I think that's all been worked out now.

@codesections I know this is a non-answer, but...
Have you looked at the Librem stuff yet?
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@codesections one thing to be aware of is that not all ThinkPad displays are created equal. Lenovo offers a number of fairly low quality/low brightness displays (so IT depts can save $$$ when buying in bulk). If you're getting a used/refurbed TP, make sure to get one with an IPS display. Also, they still to this day sell new ThinkPads with 1368x768 displays... Go for 1920x1080 or higher. I love my old X230, but I find the low resolution very confining.

@codesections I love my Carbon X1. Pricy, but the hardware is great, and it's so light it's never a question of "Do I carry this with me?"

@codesections Given the closed source firmware situation in the x86 world you might also want to consider voting with your wallet and getting one of the freedom-friendly alternatives such as the upcoming or the Teres.

@codesections depends on your budget. I have an X1 Carbon and love it. Pretty much all of the X series is great, I believe.

@kev @codesections the main thing is to make sure you get one with a nubbin.

.... I miss my nubbin.

@codesections I love my X1 Carbon. There are other models that are more rugged and hackable, but I can't recommend them enough. Love it.

@codesections

Thinkpads are not rugged hardware.

A toughbook is rugged and dependable in any circumstance. They have the latest processors and run great under linux.

Thinkpads, frankly, feel like cheap toys in comparison.


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@codesections
T440p without hesitation, and upgrade everything in it.

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