@bekopharm There are many like this, but this one is mine. :))

@celia wait it looks like react is on there twice? Top right and bottom right?

@robby You're right - there's two React on there.

@celia @robby She just wanted to see how people would react to that...

@grax @robby well typed.

@robby oNlY. *bangs head on wall*

I've worked with maybe 10, I think. Am I a pro yet?

@celia Hah, I can only say I've worked with 4 of them (js, ts, vue, and react). 10 is crazy talk

@robby I think fewer is better though. If I've realized anything anything at all. It's the industry as a whole pushing for more, more, more.

@celia I agree. Many organizations seem to be pushing frameworks to try to gain "mindshare" rather than actually pushing good software.

I think an obvious case of this (kind of separate though) is AWS. Like, people think AWS makes working easier, because they bundle things up into neat little packages. Instead, it has become so complicated that it requires a completely independent set of skills from unix / linux system administration, which in many ways is actually a lot harder. But now people have been "certified" in using AWS, and they don't want their AWS knowledge to go to waste! So the issue perpetuates itself, the mind-share grows, and the system becomes more complicated...

This is part of why I have invested quite a bit of time learning C lately. When applying the Unix philosophy (make small, composable programs; make new composable programs instead of tacking features onto existing ones) C can actually be quite elegant.

This isn't very easy to do within the scope of client side web development unfortunately.

@maksen8 @celia What have you used WebAssembly for?

@robby @celia I, unfortunately, haven't gotten to use it yet but benefits include performance and being able to use other languages than JavaShit. An example of a real-world use is browser games. https://blogs.unity3d.com/2018/08/15/webassembly-is-here/

@maksen8 @celia Hot take: TypeScript, React, and WebAssembly are also bloat.

If your HTML documents are so complex that you need types to verify correctness, or features that WebAssembly exposes such as multithreading, maybe you should be making a native application instead

@robby @celia That isn't always possible. Chrome OS for example has gotten a pretty significant market share and by default you can't run native applications. The vast majority of people won't be technologically proficient enough to get it to run native Gentoo applications.

@maksen8 @celia "Native applications" within the scope of ChromeOS means Android apps, so I stand by my assertion.

@jamesvasile Exactly where my head was at last night. Entry levels jobs were like "JavaScript required (or preferred)" at one point.

If I started today, I doubt I'd get in. React and friends is an entry level requirement now.