Guix officially is my preferred GNU/Linux distribution.
Cool package manager. Great docs. Expressive Scheme API. Easy to write new packages. Super friendly community.
I wish more people used and contributed to Guix.
@brown121407 Great docs?
This can't be serious.
I agree in all the rest :D
Maybe i'm doing something wrong! IDK
Yeah, that's why I said great, not best.
Arch definitely has the most comprehensive wiki there is for GNU/Linux systems (or that I know of). Guix has great docs regarding Guixy things IMO. I know there is room from improvement though.
@ekaitz_zarraga why did the docs let you down? Maybe we can make them better in those areas.
@brown121407 @miguel @grainloom hmm
my experience have been good in general but very bad in specific moments.
Those moments are in general when I was trying to make my own packages because I think the tooling has a low discoverability. For instance, I had to go to the code of other packages often and try to copy-paste it to make packages work and I'd preferred to just read all those descriptions in a place where they can be understood in depth.
There are some aspects regarding more complex package definitions that I agree are not good enough documented (or not discoverable enough).
Have you tried sending in a bug report (firstname.lastname@example.org if I recall correctly) or something for the things you consider could be better described in the docs? The Guix guys seem to be really friendly on the mailing lists.
Now I remember i wasn't able to understand correctly the new patches for packages. Like, if I want to update a package to the last version, is the previous one rewritten? if it is -> how isn't it making people unable to install the previous version by hand?
@ekaitz_zarraga @miguel @grainloom doesn't sound silly to me. Those seem to be valid concerns and curiosities. You can always shoot those things at email@example.com or on #guix on freenode (IRC). Whenever I have a question that I feel isn't answered in the docs I hop on the IRC and someone eventually answers me.
@brown121407 I'm a social anxious piece of shit and sometimes I'm worried of asking something that is already in the docs and I didn't found...
I should change :D
@ekaitz_zarraga I feel you. I almost shit myself when I sent my first patch and then a bug report for that very patch cause things weren't working as expected.
Guix seems to have a warm community though. Once you get the courage to step in, I don't think you'll regret it. I feel they get excited when people show interest in their system, so you asking stuff and getting into conversation should be a nice thing for both you and them.
@brown121407 I believe you!
I'll try to contact and start playing around with it further than what I did.
Thanks for pushing me. This is the kind of exercise I need to do.
@ekaitz_zarraga I'm glad I made you look into it a bit more.
Besides the official channels, you can always ping me if you think you need to. I'm no expert, but I'm willing to try to help.
@brown121407 thank you. I appreciate your help.
@ekaitz_zarraga @miguel @grainloom I don't think Guix has having all the versions of a software available as a goal. Some packages though have multiple versions but I think that's mostly for bootstrapability (or however you spell that). Usually, definitions just get edited to adapt when a new version comes out (from what I saw).
You can also subscribe to firstname.lastname@example.org to get all the information about what the Guix developers are thinkering with at the moment:
@brown121407 how does it compare to MX? What's the default desktop? Does it rely on systemctl?
Quite different from MX, as it is stateless and declarative, not following the FHS (like nix).
There isn't a default desktop as such, but KDE Plasma is not yet packaged in its entirety, so for "heavy" desktop it's GNOME. Quite a few lightweight options.
It doesn't use systemd, but rather GNU shepherd - services can be added or modified in Scheme.
@brown121407 Is it like Gentoo regarding package writing?
@CyReVolt I haven't tried Gentoo (yet!)
Packaging is very easy though. In Guix, each package is a Scheme expression. Look here for an example definition:
For getting packages from sources like MELPA or Hackage or pypi etc. Guix also has importers which generate the package definition for you (which is pretty damn cool):
After you have a definition in place, you put it in the source tree, send a patch to the ML and that's it!
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