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Guix officially is my preferred GNU/Linux distribution.

Cool package manager. Great docs. Expressive Scheme API. Easy to write new packages. Super friendly community.

I wish more people used and contributed to Guix.

@brown121407 Great docs?

This can't be serious.

I agree in all the rest :D

Maybe i'm doing something wrong! IDK

@ekaitz_zarraga @brown121407 well, they are working on having good docs, although it's not Arch Wiki level good just yet.

Yeah, that's why I said great, not best.

Arch definitely has the most comprehensive wiki there is for GNU/Linux systems (or that I know of). Guix has great docs regarding Guixy things IMO. I know there is room from improvement though.

@ekaitz_zarraga why did the docs let you down? Maybe we can make them better in those areas.

@miguel
@grainloom

@brown121407 @miguel @grainloom hmm
my experience have been good in general but very bad in specific moments.
Those moments are in general when I was trying to make my own packages because I think the tooling has a low discoverability. For instance, I had to go to the code of other packages often and try to copy-paste it to make packages work and I'd preferred to just read all those descriptions in a place where they can be understood in depth.

@brown121407 @miguel @grainloom
I'm really considering to use GuixOS as my everyday distro so my general view is it's cool and I like the package manager but sometimes it's hard.

@ekaitz_zarraga

There are some aspects regarding more complex package definitions that I agree are not good enough documented (or not discoverable enough).

Have you tried sending in a bug report (bug-guix@gnu.org if I recall correctly) or something for the things you consider could be better described in the docs? The Guix guys seem to be really friendly on the mailing lists.

@miguel @grainloom

@brown121407 @miguel @grainloom I didn't. I just did that once but it was a package update :D

Now I remember i wasn't able to understand correctly the new patches for packages. Like, if I want to update a package to the last version, is the previous one rewritten? if it is -> how isn't it making people unable to install the previous version by hand?

@ekaitz_zarraga @miguel @grainloom doesn't sound silly to me. Those seem to be valid concerns and curiosities. You can always shoot those things at help-guix@gnu.org or on on freenode (IRC). Whenever I have a question that I feel isn't answered in the docs I hop on the IRC and someone eventually answers me.

@brown121407 I'm a social anxious piece of shit and sometimes I'm worried of asking something that is already in the docs and I didn't found...

I should change :D

@ekaitz_zarraga I feel you. I almost shit myself when I sent my first patch and then a bug report for that very patch cause things weren't working as expected.

Guix seems to have a warm community though. Once you get the courage to step in, I don't think you'll regret it. I feel they get excited when people show interest in their system, so you asking stuff and getting into conversation should be a nice thing for both you and them.

@brown121407 I believe you!
I'll try to contact and start playing around with it further than what I did.

:)

Thanks for pushing me. This is the kind of exercise I need to do.

@ekaitz_zarraga I'm glad I made you look into it a bit more.

Besides the official channels, you can always ping me if you think you need to. I'm no expert, but I'm willing to try to help.

@ekaitz_zarraga @miguel @grainloom I don't think Guix has having all the versions of a software available as a goal. Some packages though have multiple versions but I think that's mostly for bootstrapability (or however you spell that). Usually, definitions just get edited to adapt when a new version comes out (from what I saw).

@brown121407 @miguel @grainloom good to know that! Thanks!
I thought it was a desirable goal too.
Somehow they are keeping all the previous definitions under version control so... they exist (somewhere).

@ekaitz_zarraga @miguel @grainloom I'm no Guix maintainer so I can't know for sure. You can ask on the IRC and someone more knowledgeable will surely give you a better answer.

You can also subscribe to guix-devel@gnu.org to get all the information about what the Guix developers are thinkering with at the moment:
lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo

@brown121407 @miguel @grainloom I was subscribed in the past but I got bored for a reason I don't remember now :D

@ekaitz_zarraga @miguel @grainloom @brown121407 Yeah, generally if you want an old version you just get it from an old guix. guix pull allows you to pick a commit, and with imperative home management you can just mix and match. Multiple versions in one guix is mostly when required as dependencies or for things like python 2/3.

@clacke
There's also this inferior thing that allows you to mix packages from different versions of guix in a declarative/programmatic manner. Never had to use it though, so can't help more than say it exists :)
@ekaitz_zarraga @miguel @grainloom @brown121407

@clacke @ekaitz_zarraga @miguel @brown121407 isn't that what the (relatively new) time-machine subcommand for?

@brown121407 how does it compare to MX? What's the default desktop? Does it rely on systemctl?

@WanderingBeekeeper
Quite different from MX, as it is stateless and declarative, not following the FHS (like nix).
There isn't a default desktop as such, but KDE Plasma is not yet packaged in its entirety, so for "heavy" desktop it's GNOME. Quite a few lightweight options.
It doesn't use systemd, but rather GNU shepherd - services can be added or modified in Scheme.
@brown121407

@CyReVolt I haven't tried Gentoo (yet!)

Packaging is very easy though. In Guix, each package is a Scheme expression. Look here for an example definition:
guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_no

For getting packages from sources like MELPA or Hackage or pypi etc. Guix also has importers which generate the package definition for you (which is pretty damn cool):

guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_no

After you have a definition in place, you put it in the source tree, send a patch to the ML and that's it!

@brown121407 it's too bad the lispyboys are bad at marketing
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