All communication in #signal goes through these tech giants: Amazon, Google, Microsoft and Cloudflare
Just texting goes through Amazon.
Group chat will also go through Google.
#GAFAM is toxic to free software, supports mass surveillance and a lot other very bad things. Supporting such companies means also supporting their culture and their dominance. It's never just about the privacy of a single person.
@briar What server network are they supposed to use with such quantities of users? Sure federation would technically work but signals goal is to be easy and painless to use for everyone.
Traffic is encrypted anyway so it really doesnt matter.
@raimondaslapinskas @briar Briar doesn't need 100 million users to be successful IMO. I don't think it will ever be as popular as Signal, but it doesn't need to be. Signal is aiming at everyday use for normal people with the widest adoption possible. If your threat model includes shutdown of the entire Internet and/or natural disasters that destroy infrastructure, Briar would be great.
If you can't you're forced to go with what ever the leader choose. Signal is a nice messenger. Still it forces you to use the infrastructure the leader choose.
- metadata will include ip and time.
- financial support for GAFAM
- marketing of GAFAM like: "if even this super secure chat is hosted at GAFAM, then GAFAM can't be too bad
Briar does not support GAFAM. Briar hides real IP over internet connection.
(this is not a statement to not use Signal, but to be critical)
@briar just to play devil's advocate here, one could argue that by using tried and tested infrastructure, like that of GAFAM, Signal are ensuring that their service remains as stable as possible, yet as private as possible given the controls that are in place.
What reassurances to we have that Briar is of the same ilk in terms of infrastructure and stability?
It's one of the reason I dislike signal's decision, not a reason why I endorse their decision.
I use email for example. Since I'm using email, it was never down. Not a single time, even so it has much more user then signal.
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