How much do you think Microsoft's push for WSL and Linux in general will push folks to install Linux natively?

@brandon on the scale of an individual person who was otherwise trying to move to linux anyway, maybe this helps them make a smoother transition.

But word on the street (irc) is that the GPU support is a byproduct of making tensorflow work.

@brandon I don't see that happening. People will see that they can install Linux through Windows and have some integration with their existing systems and software without the scary bits like formatting drives and BIOS settings. Why would they bother doing things the hard way?
@brandon I think WSL on the whole averts people from leaving Windows, and that's why MSFT did it.

@brandon very little due to the intersection of the target userbases being relatively small imo. People use WSL to do more with Windows, going native (Linux) means doing a lot less with Windows.

Maybe a few with cross the chasm.

It is perhaps akin to using a Linux VPS/cloud, but local. Does using a VPS make people boot Linux natively?

@brandon Can I give a negative number?

MS is entering the "extend" phase of "Embrace, extend, and extinguish"

@Matter Maybe I'm an idealist, but I just don't think that this is the same Microsoft that sent out that memo

@brandon a company that size cannot be good. Their main business is making an unethical proprietary operating system. They don't care at all about "Open Source", they won't think twice about stabbing us in the back if it serves the shareholders.

@Matter It's a company full of people. There are people in there who are *proud* of their work. I refuse to believe that these are people who pride themselves on being unethical. It just...rubs me the wrong way to think that way

@brandon it doesn't matter, a company full of well-intentioned people will still end up doing the most unethical things, it is the nature of the system to beat the good intentions out of people.

Plus, I doubt that most engineers know the bad impact the software they are working on would have. I mean they're working at *Microsoft*, they're not the most principled of the bunch in the first place

@brandon @Matter You have to ask yourself this question:

Is the person in charge ethical?

@Matter @brandon
Exactly, it is to keep the current consumors into its walled garden.

Yes Consumers! :ac_angry:

@brandon @null0x0 @Matter The biggest difference is that Apple has no qualms about telling you up front: You use our device, you use the rest of our stuff. Google and Microsoft try and play on the illusion of choice. Sure, you can install Chrome on Windows, but you're still on Windows. You still use Office and probably Office 365. They'll let you use whatever so long as you keep using their stuff, first.

@brandon I think that WSL in general will have less folks installing Linux natively. All the tools you want, without having to think about, or improve Linux in the process. Makes me nervous.

@brandon none whatsoever. Microsoft's end goal is to do everything they can to discourage users from using arbitrary distros and instead use Microsoft™️ Azure©️ and Microsoft©️ Winux©️.

Microsoft does not love linux in the same way we do. Microsoft loves making money off of linux. They don't see a problem with adding nonfree bells and whistles to our 99.9% free stack

@brandon it won't. Why would it when you get both world's in one OS/machine without a reboot.

I think Microsoft is giving a reason to stay with Windows for folks who were considering to install Linux natively.

@brandon Sounds like a false dichotomy to me. I view WSL more attractive to people that already run Linux and allows them to use what they know on machines they are forced to use Windows on.

@WhoNeedszZz @brandon You don't think the existence of WSL changes who uses Linux and how people use Linux?
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