Crap, let's make it a poll now:
Is AMD back? Please boost
I was surprised by how many people actually believed that AMD "never left." I don't think that AMD has much to show for themselves until the Ryzen/Vega/Epyc/Threadripper stuff started coming out.
It's a big shift in AMD strategy I feel and if Intel has anything to say, it's that they're starting to face some serious competition.
@brandon I think they're getting a boost from not only Intel's repeated blunders, but also their relative popularity with hobby PC builders for the large number of available cores and cheap price. It also helps that the part of the hobbyists are open source wonks, and that AMD is way ahead of the game with both dedicated graphics and processor support.
@ndegruchy I definitely agree with the blunders part. Between CPU shortages, the security holes (though I think they're being blown out of proportion), and their lack of progress in the field, it's hard to see why anyone would choose Intel over AMD today, aside from their *past* reputation for being more stable.
For me what matters is the GPGPU scene and the AMD vs Nvidia rivalry. High performance computing, which is nearing its cpu performance limits, has now started to move towards gpus. Also, thanks to demands from AI research. I hate to say this but CUDA seems to supported by most frameworks and applications. OpenCL needs more love as of now.
@ashwinvis For the GPU scene, I think it's still too soon to tell whether AMD will come out on top. I think this is a much closer battle, though NVIDIA is fumbling a bit with their explanation/benefit of ray tracing as well as their predatory behaviour with prebuilders and their lack shortage of GPUs in the past (though that second part has lessened quite a bit since cryptocurrency mining has slowed down)
@geniusmusing When was the last time you had used them? I think some of it could have been chalked up to Linux immaturity
@geniusmusing That sounds odd when considering it's simply AMD vs Intel in that case. Are you sure that the AMD laptop didn't have a hard disk and the Intel one has an SSD?
@geniusmusing If I'm being totally honest here, I think the MAJOR difference here that's affecting that would be the amount of cache available to the CPU
I'm not sure how much of a boost the hyperthreading on the Intel CPU can give too though, maybe about 30% faster if all else was the same?
I do think the specs can't be compared much
@geniusmusing I think it's partly because of the way marketing has trained us to believe that more clockspeed and cores is what matters most when realistically there are many other bottlenecks at play.
And even when all specs are the same, you can still get widely varying results due to different microcode, different manufacturing processes, different architectures even.
An ARM processor with identical specs to given Intel processor will certainly not perform the same way.
@brandon I want it to be "yes" so bad but it's still too soon imho
@polychrome In the CPU space it's probably a given "mostly yes" but the GPU space is still too soon for sure so I can agree on that
@lanodan I mean, as a company no, they never really left, but their reputation was gone for a while I would say 🤷
@lanodan It's been since about 2003 though that that's the case, no? :P When a lull in competition for that long occurs...
@brandon What's an AMD?
All my phones and tablets ran/run on AMD. So it's safe to say they never were gone.
@aeveltstra Your experience does not match the majority 🤷♂️ :P
But I didn't even know there were AMD tablets
@geniusmusing In response to the comment from the SD reader, I'd say the reason is either bullying from the larger manufacturers, lack of support from vendors due to the lack of margin that can be had by buying AMD/Intel/Qualcomm/etc., or because of lack of support from software developers in the past.
@brandon AMD on my server (E350), on my previous desktop (Athlon XP2600+, current is Core i5), on my son Netbook (C50). AMD will be on my next desktop (Ryzen 3700 minimum). 😉
@dfgweb Will probably be on my next desktop build as well
Switched my vote! Radio buttons were too close probably. Meant to vote the second option.
I'm honestly surprised at how many people who have just plainly said "they never left" to me
I feel like these people just...don't see what's been going on
@brandon poll was not very context restricted. people have very strong beliefs. makes for violent nations to begin with. :P
@brandon I can see AMD reaching a lot of people and server farms if Intel keeps being useless like they are now
I think that will really be the tell for whether AMD is going to continue to be a powerful CPU manufacturer. Once they can penetrate the Enterprise I think it'll be a lot smoother for them
@boblmartens I can say for a fact that many large enterprises that have physical locations a desktop is a must. Just in our clinical PCs we have more than 10,000 desktops across 2 hospital locations.
Laptops certainly work better for those who travel a lot but I'd say most mid-size to large enterprises have more desktops than laptops. Obviously if it's a development company, that's a little different
@brandon Very true and we are a mix ourselves with faculty having mobile machines and staff having mainly desktops.
@geniusmusing I don't know what that means
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