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Crap, let's make it a poll now:

Is AMD back? Please boost

I was surprised by how many people actually believed that AMD "never left." I don't think that AMD has much to show for themselves until the Ryzen/Vega/Epyc/Threadripper stuff started coming out.

It's a big shift in AMD strategy I feel and if Intel has anything to say, it's that they're starting to face some serious competition.

@brandon I think they're getting a boost from not only Intel's repeated blunders, but also their relative popularity with hobby PC builders for the large number of available cores and cheap price. It also helps that the part of the hobbyists are open source wonks, and that AMD is way ahead of the game with both dedicated graphics and processor support.

@ndegruchy I definitely agree with the blunders part. Between CPU shortages, the security holes (though I think they're being blown out of proportion), and their lack of progress in the field, it's hard to see why anyone would choose Intel over AMD today, aside from their *past* reputation for being more stable.

@brandon
[X] still too soon to tell
I can hope, used them only for years but had too many issues with Linux in the past, not all AMD issues but the associated hardware that was packaged with it.

@geniusmusing When was the last time you had used them? I think some of it could have been chalked up to Linux immaturity

@brandon Last desktop and notebook were AMD's, replaced late last year/early this year with "gently used hardware". The notebook is the biggest difference, old one would take about a minute to get to login, the current one in about 15 seconds, both about same age, will post notebook details later if I can.

@geniusmusing That sounds odd when considering it's simply AMD vs Intel in that case. Are you sure that the AMD laptop didn't have a hard disk and the Intel one has an SSD?

@brandon I have to fire up the AMD notebook to be sure of CPU speed but they both had SSD's when I was using them, different Samsung models and sizes but same version of Fedora so a level base for starting times. I will know the SSD model for the AMD notebook for sure tomorrow.
@brandon Specs for notebooks, missing old SSD model.
"Old"
Notebook: HP ProBook 455 G1
Processors: AMD Elite A6-4400M (3.2 GHz/2.7 GHz, 1MB L2 Cache) APU with AMD Radeon HD 7520G Graphics
Memory: 8GiB
Link: https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c03765376
Mods: Added Samsung SSD model TBD, guessing 840.

"New"
Notebook: HP ProBook 450 G3
Processors: Intel Core i7-6500U with Intel HD Graphics 520 (2.5 GHz, up to 3.1 GHz with Intel Turbo Boost Technology, 4 MB cache, 2 cores)
Memory: 15.6 GiB of RAM
Link: https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04792126
Mods: Added 8GiB ram for total 16GiB, added Samsung SSD 840 EVO 1TB

@geniusmusing If I'm being totally honest here, I think the MAJOR difference here that's affecting that would be the amount of cache available to the CPU

I'm not sure how much of a boost the hyperthreading on the Intel CPU can give too though, maybe about 30% faster if all else was the same?

I do think the specs can't be compared much

@brandon I can agree with that and they came out about a year apart, the Intel later. But just looking at the specs you would think it would be close in power/speed but the Intel just blows the AMD away.

@geniusmusing I think it's partly because of the way marketing has trained us to believe that more clockspeed and cores is what matters most when realistically there are many other bottlenecks at play.

And even when all specs are the same, you can still get widely varying results due to different microcode, different manufacturing processes, different architectures even.

An ARM processor with identical specs to given Intel processor will certainly not perform the same way.

@brandon I think part of my switch was to try Qubes OS and my notebook wasn't compatible. Some day I will try it.

@brandon I want it to be "yes" so bad but it's still too soon imho

@polychrome In the CPU space it's probably a given "mostly yes" but the GPU space is still too soon for sure so I can agree on that

@lanodan I mean, as a company no, they never really left, but their reputation was gone for a while I would say 🤷

@brandon Well, not really for me, it's more like that Intel stopped being behind AMD in terms of performance.

@lanodan It's been since about 2003 though that that's the case, no? :P When a lull in competition for that long occurs...

@brandon What's an AMD?

;)

All my phones and tablets ran/run on AMD. So it's safe to say they never were gone.

@aeveltstra Your experience does not match the majority 🤷‍♂️ :P

But I didn't even know there were AMD tablets

@geniusmusing @brandon Hmm. I was wrong. No AMD chips in my current phone. It's Mediatek. I could have sworn it was AMD, but all I see are announcements of chips that are meant for mobile phones; not one model that actually uses them.

@brandon @aeveltstra
We will have to wait to catch up to the future, it might just make a great Linux phone.

@geniusmusing @aeveltstra I would prefer to see a RISC-V chip in a phone before I see an AMD phone. Thass juss me doe

@brandon @aeveltstra
I would just like to see a RISC-V in anything beyond a dev-kit. Guessing AMD will beat them to the mobile market.

@geniusmusing
Probably except RISCV is open source so theoretically any company can make these processors
@aeveltstra

@geniusmusing In response to the comment from the SD reader, I'd say the reason is either bullying from the larger manufacturers, lack of support from vendors due to the lack of margin that can be had by buying AMD/Intel/Qualcomm/etc., or because of lack of support from software developers in the past.

@brandon AMD on my server (E350), on my previous desktop (Athlon XP2600+, current is Core i5), on my son Netbook (C50). AMD will be on my next desktop (Ryzen 3700 minimum). 😉

@dfgweb Will probably be on my next desktop build as well

@brandon
Switched my vote! Radio buttons were too close probably. Meant to vote the second option.

@dpreacher
I'm honestly surprised at how many people who have just plainly said "they never left" to me

I feel like these people just...don't see what's been going on

@brandon poll was not very context restricted. people have very strong beliefs. makes for violent nations to begin with. :P

@brandon I can see AMD reaching a lot of people and server farms if Intel keeps being useless like they are now

@Matter
I think that will really be the tell for whether AMD is going to continue to be a powerful CPU manufacturer. Once they can penetrate the Enterprise I think it'll be a lot smoother for them

@brandon @Matter I would love to see them get into the enterprise, but they’ll need laptop/notebook manufacturers to get behind that because so much of what is purchased uses those pieces.

@boblmartens I can say for a fact that many large enterprises that have physical locations a desktop is a must. Just in our clinical PCs we have more than 10,000 desktops across 2 hospital locations.

Laptops certainly work better for those who travel a lot but I'd say most mid-size to large enterprises have more desktops than laptops. Obviously if it's a development company, that's a little different

@brandon Very true and we are a mix ourselves with faculty having mobile machines and staff having mainly desktops.

@Matter @brandon for mid sized enterprise its going to take a lot, opteron burned a lot of us

@mattmcnutt @Matter That's precisely why I think that getting back into the enterprise will be a big tell

@brandon The year of AMD will coincide with the year of the Linux desktop and Duke Nukem Forever Again :P
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