I went over some of the results of the controversy behind Librem One over here: https://linuxliaison.org/librem-one-the-dust-has-settled/
Seems that things are right again and that they did right by those who care about the cause :) Let me know what you think in the end.
@brandon I agree that the more I hear about it, the more I'm liking their approach.
I think it was @emsenn that mentioned it before... there are people who don't utilize the local or federated timeline. Admittedly, I don't use it too often, so the lack of that timeline in librem.one doesn't really bother me.
The discoverability curve may prove to be a little steep as a result, but it's not insurmountable.
@brandon thank you for making me understand what the issue was you did an amazing job summarizing everything
@geniusmusing Oh it's definitely the way to go...for those who know how/have the interest in knowing how
I don't think we're the target audience :P
@geniusmusing There are people who don't even know what NextCloud is, nor would they know how to install it.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here
"How do I make it like 'facebook.com'?
"What do you mean?"
"Well right now I have to type in this random number. I can't remember that"
"You mean to access your website?"
"Yeah, I want a word or something"
"You have to buy a domain name and point that to the server"
"How do I do that? What's a domain name? Can I get those at Walmart?"
@brandon I ended up blocking ('suspending') my instance's connections to librem.one and social.librem.one and won't be looking back, personally.
I appreciate their effort in trying to have services for their upcoming phone, but that's all it is. Their treatment of their Mastodon instance shows a complete lack of understanding of the underlying ecosystem (e.g. *why* the Local & Federated timelines can be important).
Plus, their attitude of 'if it isn't illegal, we won't police it' is Bad™.
@brandon There are plenty of things that aren't illegal but are still bad, and in a global community, 'isn't illegal' to a company from a country with extremely lax rules (the US) won't fly when it comes to countries like Canada, or the EU, where there are actual hate speech/incitement laws.
They're going to end up hosting an instance where people complain they can't find anyone to follow, or when they *do* find someone, they can't follow them because their instance is suspended.
@kithop But I don't understand why you would block an instance just because they don't have fedi or local timelines :S
@brandon I blocked them because they originally didn't have any reporting, and even when they backpedalled to re-add it in, it shows that they're not interested in moderating their community.
I don't federate with 'free speech zone' type instances if I can avoid it - there be dragons. Or rather, avenues for harassment.
I get a strong feeling Purism is going to be almost totally hands-off on it, and their 'moderation' will be adding part-time workload to existing staff to just deal with spam.
@kithop If this turns out to not be the case, would you consider unblocking the instance?
@brandon I'd want to see them adopt a Code of Conduct for their users' interactions with the Fediverse. Good (though potentially overly detailed) starting point: https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Community_anti-harassment/Policy
And yeah, I know it's targeted at people who can't self-host. But they could've linked to the various 'find an instance for you!' type search engines/databases out there rather than roll their own and make a hack job out of it, IMO. That helps people decide for themselves.
@brandon By pulling out all mention of the underlying apps themselves originally, it's obvious they wanted to be seen as 'different' and wall their systems off in a paid silo. That's not a community thing, that's a cash grab on people who don't know any better and are trusting them.
I'd feel the same way if they were going on about how you could get an e-mail account with them in this day and age. It's... weird and old-fashioned to guide people into your silos.
@kithop The fact that they chose projects that federate or are part of a decentralized whole shows me that that's not the case.
I say it's more a case of rushed deployment rather than ill intent
@brandon Fair enough - it might not be ill intent, but it's definitely 'not well thought out at all'.
I heard they apparently had a security issue with one of those services at launch where anyone could log in to any other username with *any* password. It was taken down & fixed quickly, but still.
'Didn't think this through, and executed it sloppily'. Maybe in 6 months+ they'll have it together, we'll see.
@brandon Meanwhile there are plenty of free* (*though donations are usually accepted/appreciated) instances already out there for people, with people who actually care about their reputation making up a moderation team, laying down sane, but detailed ground rules for behaviour, etc.
The point of this is to *de*centralize, not put up more paid centralized silos. We should be pushing stuff like Lollipop Cloud and hosting your own Mastodon/Pleroma/etc. instances on RasPis or VPSes.
@kithop Do you realize that Librem One is not targeted at people who know how to/can self-host?
Fosstodon is a Mastodon instance that is open to anyone who is interested in technology; particularly free & open source software.