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What's your favorite thing you can do with your PinePhone that you can't do with Android or iOS? Please boost.

My favorite is using my fancy shmancy USB bus powered audio interface: fosstodon.org/@be/106161151835

@be that fuggin,, `sudo apt update`

no, seriously, see all the programs running on my phone and, relatedly, whether or not they're using the network

after that is probably either systemd shit (timers etc) or shell scripting

@be I guess you could wrap it up all pretty with a bow and say my favorite thing is administrating as opposed to merely using my phone

@marie_joseph It's such a joy to switch OSes on the PinePhone with good ol' fashioned `dd`. None of this whacky `adb` or `heimdall` mumbo jumbo that does the same stuff in overcomplicated ways that only Android uses.

@marie_joseph Though I hope more distros make graphical installers like postmarketOS's microSD card installer image that make it easy to encrypt the OS's filesystem.

@marie_joseph I'm kinda looking forward to compiling software on my PinePhone that I develop on my laptop, although I'm sure it will take a long time on the PinePhone's CPU. I might get a video monitor or a laptop dock specifically so I can develop on the PinePhone, although I think the development workflow transferring between laptop and PinePhone would be nice and easy. Just `git push` on laptop and `git pull` then compile on PinePhone.

@marie_joseph None of this "SDK" or emulator mumbo jumbo. Just give my good ol' compilers.

@marie_joseph It would be awesome to cross-compile on my fancy schmacy quad core 8th gen Core i7 laptop CPU then download the build on my PinePhone. Perhaps Flatpak could facilitate that... 🤔

@be I believe Mobian's microSD installer also allows one to encrypt, but I haven't actually used it, just the stock installer that came on the eMMC

@be Install stuff.

Seriously. We can't install anything on iOS that isn't Blessed By Apple and it's AWFUL.

@be (That said, our Pinephone breaks about half the time we run an update and we still haven't gotten around to unbreaking it from last update. Definitely not suitable as a daily driver for us yet.)

@IceWolf @be Can you use Timeshift on the Pinephone I wonder?

@be Using rsync to copy files between my desktop and the phone

@anjan That's extremely nerdy and I love it.

@be ssh to the phone sitting somewhere in the flat to do updates, file transfers including semi-automated backups, …
And having control over the whole software stack without having to compile a gigantic pile of useless code that is android is pretty neat.

@lanodan It blew my mind to find out the build requirements for Android. 400 GB storage and 16 GB memory. In other words, poor people need not apply. source.android.com/setup/build

@be I just remember it as "Almost an hard-drive of storage, a ton of CPU time and too much ram needs for a laptop".

Running gentoo on the pinephone would probably be much less of a hassle than android. (I picked PostmarketOS for it though, alpine's nice)

@lanodan I do have 16 GB RAM in my laptop. I also paid $1900 for this laptop.

@be

I compile my own Android (well, LineageOS) and had to restart my computer just today because it froze and I have no idea why. Probably OOM'd even with 16 GBs of memory.

@be A clean build took 6 hours and failed! And I have a pretty OK CPU too, if a bit older (i7 7700K)

I might some day just switch to Lineage4MicroG instead. I don't have many patches left on my custom builds.

@admicos I've been using the Lineage + microG builds for a few years.

@be
@lanodan apologies but I disagree. it's maybe not as universally accessible as it might be but spending $0.50 to do a build on some cloud compute with sufficient memory is not a super real barrier. I suspect a laptop with a sata ssd & swap space would probably do fine too.

@jauntywunderkind420 @lanodan You realize other things don't have those obnoxious barriers?

@be not gonna be a petty little shit about some probably pretty over-exaggerated & all-in-all mild technical constraints. yeah it'd be nicer if the mega huge os could build in a somewhat smaller confines. but it's not exactly that daunting a challenge, if you evaluate what that utility of computing really costs. I think there are probably hundreds of more real places to make a stand, that deserve real respect & attention.

@jauntywunderkind420 It's emblematic of Google's attitude of "fork everything, do it our way and if you don't like it too bad".

@be I very much despise them for always going it their own way, & for having tools & environments & stacks of other Android et centera dependencies that make their Software useless. to me that's a situation into it's own & I don't see high build "requirements" as emblematical or really related to that particular & seriously frequent curse.

I'm also used to kubernetes & knative decalaring they needed 16gb, for basically no cause. not no cause, kube took some space. but that requirement was so your app had 15gb. feeling like a swap space, even hd not ssd based, probably fills in similarly here.

@jauntywunderkind420 @be @lanodan

lol. 50 cents to do the final, working build, maybe.

goodness knows how much time or money getting to that point, not just learning the build system but now also the VM constraints, because what ever works perfectly the first time?

You pay one way or another.

@be @lanodan That's almost four times the amount of storage and ram that I have on my daily driver. It's insane that Android would require that much to build.

@be @lanodan

This also highlights the differences between the "producer" and "consumer" models of machine.

Wasn't a selling point of these computers that everyone could use them to become a producer? :(

@BillySmith @be Well that ship sailed away and even in the FOSS waters it's seriously sinking.
@be for me it's gotta be installing only the features/software I want and not having to deal with the annoying "This phone is running an unrecognized version of Android!" when I want to do things like access banking information or use anything that relies on a thick layer of Google APIs.
@be turning off the wifi/cellular antennas via hardware. second to that, definitely shell scripting

@be Plugging in an external monitor and running the Gimp and other normal desktop apps.

I haven't tried it yet, but I'm thinking of pulling it into my Kerberos realm/LDAP directory.

@be i don't have a pinephone, but if i did my answer would be "have privacy"

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