they could just make electron work well

has anyone thought of this

@be idk i've never implemented a rendering engine

probably. i bet if you implemented a rendering engine from scratch and only supported the latest standards it would be.

@marie_joseph The problem is nobody has the resources to do anything remotely like that besides Google.

@marie_joseph And it's in Google's interest to keep expanding the scope of the web to eat all of computing so that nobody else could make a modern web browser.

@be this is why even software engineers need class consciousness

@marie_joseph @be let's remember that until relatively recently Chrome, which is based on Chromium (as is Brave, Edge, and many other browses) was, like Safari, built on Webkit, which was, in turn, a fork of the highly functional, community (not corporate) developed KHTML (which was originally developed for KDE's Konqueror browser)... It's only in the last couple years they've moved to Blink. So it seems there's precedent for doing it with quite miniscule backing...

@marie_joseph @be and, it appears that even Chromium's current Blink rendering engine is a fork of Webkit, meaning it probably shares a lot of code with KHTML...

@marie_joseph @be KHTML is arguably the thing which broke Microsoft's toxic attempt to control the Web. Ironic that they've now given up on their own rendering engine (Trident - as I suggested they do around 2009), and adopted a KHTML derivative, too.

KHTML, and the community behind it, is a largely unsung hero... and one of the greatest (most influential) FOSS projects ever.

@lightweight @be I was wondering about Webkit. I primarily use Webkit browsers (Luakit on general purpose computers, Epiphany on my phone), but I didn't know its full history. Do you think it could have a shot at breaking the back of Chromium hegemony? And if so, what would that path look like?

@marie_joseph @be Chromium is already based on a fork of Webkit called Blink... The only other rendering engine of note is Mozilla's Gecko, which is pretty old now. The great hope is/was Servo, which was meant to replace Gecko, and I believe it was what the Rust language was developed to implement - - but it hasn't been finished...

@lightweight @be based on references to Servo here it sounds like Servo is dead or at least on the back burner in favor of modernizing Gecko

@marie_joseph @be yes, it's too bad. Mozilla's lack of independence from Google (who mostly fund it) seems like a very unfortunate situation... It seems like their patrons might influence their strategic decision making... :(

@be @marie_joseph yes. I personally think gov'ts should be collaboratively funding FOSS development because it now forms critical infrastructure (including competing implementations of key open standards)... that's my pipedream (that policy-makers would "get" this stuff).

@lightweight @marie_joseph As far as I understand, it would take a paradigm shift not just to get government funding for FOSS, but to get funders to understand that keeping software working requires maintenance work which requires continual funding, not one-off grants.

@be @marie_joseph yes, which is why we (as a set of societies) can't have nice things. Our leaders don't know stuff. So we just have to make them understand it. I find that the threat of embarrassment works quite well to motivate politicians (well, it *did* up until Trump, but perhaps it still does outside the US).

@be @marie_joseph we have to have faith that people can change for the better, right? If not, there's not much point in anything really :)

@be @marie_joseph Waldo's message is pretty hard to argue with: He *seems* to have the ear of gov't in the US... but, having led the horse to water... will it drink?


@lightweight @marie_joseph This guy has some interesting ideas...
"I am here to tell you that you can effect more positive change as a government vendor than as a helpful non-profit...
We need people whose goal isn’t an IPO and fabulous wealth, but instead to earn a nice living for themselves and everybody who works for them while making their country better by creating better technology for government."

@lightweight @marie_joseph Interesting how we have gotten here from a post about how Electron sucks... I hope governments don't build applications with Electron.

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