@be I think it's a good idea, though I think it may be difficult to build a movement based on opposition to something as vaguely defined as "capitalism".
The current capitalist approach to producing software harms users for very specific reasons, and I think it's possible to convince people of that even if they otherwise think capitalism is great or necessary.
@be I think that a big mistake that the Free Software movement has made is to almost completely ignore how to fund the development of Free Software. Funding is a problem capitalism has no problem solving. Governance is another problem Free Software has mostly ignored, even though it may well be an even harder and more important problem to solve than funding.
@be Ok, was just trying to understand if "deeply intertwined" implied some dependency I hadn't thought of.
@freakazoid This. Most of the #softwarelibre advocates never got tired claiming that "libre" is more important than "gratis" while at the same time, virtually everywhere (software, of course, but also music, movies, ...) the effect of these approaches most tangible to end-users _is_ things being "gratis". A much better approach, then and now, possibly would have been "libre is opposed to gratis", at least if you have software and services that somehow can compare.
@freakazoid Possibly depends on your definition of "should". 😉 I wonder where we would be by today if we made a requirement for software to be "libre" to not depend on any funding by disputable corporate entities. So: No GSoC money. No devs that are paid by GAFAM in dayjobs. No software built on tools developed by corporations and being "just" OpenSource. Plus, however, still software that is somehow enabling technically untrained end-users to use computers and technology too. At the ...
@freakazoid ... moment, a lot of FLOSS seems to be built around spare-time devs and techies that enjoy tinkering on some tools together with other spare-time techies, mostly left "open" because "if you don't like it, fix it yourself". For an end-user who will never remotely be able to do that, there's no difference to using a "gratis" proprietary tool by GAFAM that just works (but that they pay by throwing in their personal data) - at this point it's just about price. This, however, ...
@freakazoid ... also seems partly caused by the fact that a lot of FLOSS projects are hobby/spare time/side projects. If you do something in your free hours, something that doesn't fill your fridge, it's not something that makes you consider someone elses needs. If we were able and willing to pay money for #SoftwareLibre, to make sure devs can make a living working on #SoftwareLibre full time, this could change quite a few things.
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