@arghyadeep $5 for a VPS and about $30 for electricity of a server at home.
@arghyadeep about $13/month for two domains and a vps
@arghyadeep $5 VPS a month + $20 year for email + $30 year backups + $12 year for domain
It's a lot, but better than give up to the giants who gave all for "FREE".
@esparta Totally worth it.
@arghyadeep 5€ and I think I pay too much
@dahrkael I was kind of at your position. So created this thread to justify my spending and feel better.
@arghyadeep about 15€
@arghyadeep 46 Euro/month for the Matrix server.
@hund I'm a regular user of both matrix and jabber (federated XMPP). Everything you say is true, except:
> there's good clients
Some decent jabber apps have appeared in the last few years (eg Conversations, Conversejs, Snikket). But even the best ones have a long way to go before they're as user-friendly as Element. The hard truth is that in a trade-off between server efficiency and UX, UX will win. There's no point in a super-efficient server hardly anybody wants to use.
@strypey @nipos @arghyadeep We have Conversations on Android, Gajim on Linux and Windows and then Converse on the web. For Mac and Ios there's Monal. I don't know how well it works on Mac, but on Ios it's only okay at best. I know it's partly because the platform itself is crappy, but there's unfortunately just a one man project as well.
There's more clients than that, but that's the ones I recommend to people.
> I don't know how well it works on Mac, but on Ios it's only okay at best.
Exactly my point. All going well, one day you'll be able to recommend Snikket as an app for the jabber network that just works, on all platforms, like matrix folks can with Element. But the hard truth is, there is a lot of work to be done before that day comes (I say this as someone helping with Snikket), and in the meantime it's a disservice to users to pretend otherwise.
@strypey @hund @arghyadeep I totally agree with that.I also use both and with Movim I finally have a Jabber client that works good enough but I still feel that Matrix clients have a better user experience and are much more reliable.And the Construct project looks very promising.I'll put that on a server as soon as it is ready for production use.
I have had this long lasting problem that messages is not delivered to all my XMPP clients.
Sure, a XMPP-server is easy to get up and running, but actually running a XMPP-server that fullfills all the security and and features most users wants is not the easiest and can be a real pain.
@mike @strypey @hund @arghyadeep @selea Running the server isn't the problem.I've installed and configured Ejabberd for toot.koeln and I think it's running quite well.The problem is the user experience where sometimes messages are missing or on some operating systems it doesn't work good at all.But thanks for operating Chinwag Movim.That's the first client I found that doesn't suck and where all messages arrive reliably.
@nipos @mike @strypey @arghyadeep @selea I don't have issues with Prosody. I've only been self-hosting for about 4-5 years though. I've been using other services for about a decade before that without any issues.
With that said. I know that my girlfriend sometimes have issues with Monal on her Iphone though—using my server—but I'm pretty sure that's not my fault as it doesn't happens for me or anyone I know.
linuxkompis har inte stöd för MAM.
@selea Yes. What you'r looking is MAM for conferences/rooms/groups/channels or whatever you want to call it.
@arghyadeep 27€ per month for 2 servers.
@arghyadeep 13 euro per year for a .SE domain. I host my own XMPP-server, but it's a non-profit project and we're sponsored by a swedish VPS-provider so it's free in terms of the cost.
I try to use as little cloud services as possible and the only other service I rely on is Nextcloud, which is provided by @operationtulip, currently a free service under their testing period.
@arghyadeep If I remember correctly, it's only 5 euros per month for me. I host Nextcloud, Mastodon, Ghost and Gitea on the server. However, these all are closed instances(used by family and myself included), therefore costs are surely pretty low
@makkusu That's a lot of stuff to get for 5 euros.
Which cloud service do you use?
@arghyadeep I use Hetzner Cloud for hosting. Their lowest tier starts fro 3,99 euros with 20GB of memory, 2GB of RAM + 20TB of traffic. The specs they provide are not this high but they're fine for these services. The disadvantage(for most people but not me) with it is that you don't have those "1-click" setups. Everything you decide to self-host should be done manually. Nevertheless, Hetzner is still a wonderful cloud provider. I am absolutely satisfied. Here is their website: hetzner.com
@arghyadeep Forgot to mention that I pay 12 euros annually for the domain name
@arghyadeep Oh yeah, thank you for correcting me.
I absolutely agree with your opinion regarding Hetzner - it's the best service provider out there. They have decent service experience, the simplicity does make me feel comfortable as a customer. In addition, their servers run on hydroenergy what makes them one of the greenest solutions out there.
I haven't used neither AWS nor Azure or DigitalOcean before, Hetzner is actually the first cloud provider for me. And I love it.
@arghyadeep 16€ for Mailserver, Searchengine, Mastodon, Wallabag, Nextcloud... and some other private bullshit
if I count the powerconsumption on my dedicated servers that I have:
That is approx $200/month.
@arghyadeep I think it's around $200 total, between the blogging sites (for myself, for the podcast, etc.), email server, Nextcloud, Mastodon, and a bunch of other services.
I could likely consolidate.
@emacsen @arghyadeep Running a server costs me approximately 100USD per year, and that's the dynamic DNS subscription and domain name. The hardware itself isn't replaced often and it's likely I'll keep it running either until it breaks or becomes obsolete - whichever occurs sooner. Possibly the SSD might get upgraded at some point.
@arghyadeep Around £120/month total.
seems like i'm really cheap 😅
2.7€ for a VPS running freedombox. hosting my website, searx, wireguard, a single git repo and for the time being a minetest server just for me to try it out 🙈
@arghyadeep 5ish euros + couple of more on stuff running at home
@arghyadeep Around $20 a month, depending on a few factors like POC of heavier software
@arghyadeep 5€ on VPS
@arghyadeep Including electrical bill, broadband bill ?
@arghyadeep I'd say about 50-100 euros per month but that same broadband would be there anyway regardless of me running a homelab with tons of public servers (fidonet.io).
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