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Voting in the US 

If you are entitled to, please vote. Politicians will not do anything to help you if you don't vote.

Before the election, get a sample ballot for your local area and research everyone on it, even if you think you already know about them.

If you can't be at the polls on election day, you can probably vote early or get a postal ballot. Additionally, if you expect difficulty with transportation, many community groups will take people to the polls for free.

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Voting in the US 

Even if you think you would be "voting for the lesser of two evils," vote anyway. Better that than letting the greater of two evils take the election, right?

Don't cast a "protest" vote or vote "ironically." It counts just the same and can cause the results to not reflect what people actually want. Instead, many ballot systems will let you vote "none of the above" or cast a "spoiled" (mismarked) ballot.

Above all, make sure you cast an informed ballot.

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Voting in the US 

If you know someone or a group of people who might have trouble voting and you have the opportunity, offer to help them out. Help them do their research, request a postal ballot, or get to the polling station.

If you know people who might not vote or you have a large audience, please try to get them to vote. The more people who vote the more accurate the results will be to what people really want.

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Voting generally 

A lot of the above is applicable in other countries too, but I lack specific knowledge outside of the US.

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Voting in the US 

If you have an interest in which candidate a party nominates, check with your state to see what its primary requirements are. Some states require that you register as affiliated with a party to vote in its primary, and usually the deadline is substantially before the primary date itself. Make sure you get a sample ballot and research the primary candidates before you vote.

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Voting in the US 

@alexbuzzbee I think the primaries are as important or more than the actual election, for Democrats. Biden winning makes it almost a given that Trump gets a second term, for example. And if that happens, you guys better get ready for a draft 😉

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#politics @alexbuzzbee voting legitimizes our democratic institution, which has totally failed. Nobody should vote, and those who do vote are shameful traitors.

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@fluffy I disagree with you in the strongest possible terms.

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@alexbuzzbee Then you do so only out of ignorance. In time, you will learn, and see the rightness of my claims.

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@fluffy Democracy is alive in the United States. It is injured in several ways, but refusing to vote only worsens these problems. Actually advocating for people to not vote actively undermines democracy worldwide. I cannot permit that to go unchallenged, especially in light of knowledge of specific attempts by foreign nation-states to so undermine our democratic system.

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@fluffy Voting is the bare minimum effort in which people influence the state. There's lots of other things that can and should be done as well. @alexbuzzbee

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@terryenglish @fluffy Yes. There are numerous other means of activism that people should engage in as well as voting, but voting is vitally important.

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@terryenglish @alexbuzzbee None of those things have effected more than the most token of changes for decades.

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@fluffy I respectfully disagree. If what you're saying is true the US would have already invaded Syria and Iran by now. @alexbuzzbee

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@terryenglish @alexbuzzbee I am wholly unconvinced that any sort of activism was responsible for that.

I will remind you that we have been at war for nearly twenty years. This despite how every president since clinton was elected on an antiwar platform.

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@fluffy @terryenglish Do you think the US had any chance of losing a war with Iran or Syria? If not, how did we avoid those wars?

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@alexbuzzbee @terryenglish It's not clear what you mean to say by this. Are we still talking about activism and voting?

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@fluffy @terryenglish If the wars weren't prevented by 1) probability of loss or 2) activism... what did prevent them?

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@alexbuzzbee @terryenglish
>what did prevent them?
they didn't occur because Iran, despite the numerous attempts at being tempted into a war, refused to declare war.

USA obviously is trying to bait them into it, the way they baited Japan.

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@fluffy @terryenglish So then why did the US need to "bait" Iran at all? If public outrage doesn't mean anything, why not just go to war?

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@alexbuzzbee @terryenglish
>why
The american government is engaging in a balkanization of the middle east for numerous reasons. In general this is a result of neoconservative policymakers.

>why need to bait
Because western nations require a casus belli to wage a justified war. Essentially this is a relic of christian theology first postulated by augustine of hippo. waging war without such a justification carries political risk

>why not just go to war
We've done so before, but the us must maintain its political position in the international community, and too many reckless wars compromise our ability to project influence.

Did you really think it was because of some sort of picketing and letters? How adorable.

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@fluffy @terryenglish I think one of several influences was that "just going to war" was politically unpopular and thus would have hurt the decision-makers' chances at winning reelection. That's not the only factor, but it's consistent with historical patterns and with the evidence I've seen.

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@fluffy @alexbuzzbee The elections are obviously going to be rigged anyway. Even if they aren't rigged, everyone's going to assume they were, just like they did last time.

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@Galena @alexbuzzbee Yes. There are countless scandals during every election. Its obvious to anyone who is paying attention that the american voting system is the most corrupt in the first world.

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@fluffy @Galena Yes, it is broken. That is undeniable. But not voting doesn't help fix the problems at all. The system can be influenced and moved in the direction of fixing these problems.

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@alexbuzzbee @Galena
>But not voting doesn't help fix the problems at all.
I never claimed it fixed any problems.

If you want to fix problems get rich and lobby.

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@fluffy @Galena So if not voting doesn't help, why accuse voters of being "traitors?" That's extremely dangerous rhetoric.

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@alexbuzzbee @Galena
>So if not voting doesn't help, why accuse voters of being "traitors?"
the consequences of not voting are not necessarily related to the behavior of voting. To wit: it's not always the case that if x is y then not x is not y. So I find this line of reasoning confused

>why accuse voters of being "traitors?"
Because legitimizing a corrupt institution enables it to further cause damage to the citizenry.

>That's extremely dangerous rhetoric.
Yes.

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@fluffy @Galena If you acknowledge that your rhetoric is dangerous, why should I continue this conversation?

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@alexbuzzbee @Galena Why would that cause any issue? "Dangerous rhetoric", as the word is colloquially used, does not actually endanger anything but ideas.

Although I suppose if you want an excuse to leave gracefully, now is as good of a time as any. Perhaps you are too invested in the voting process, perhaps due to state propaganda from public school, to question it. That's completely understandable.

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@fluffy @Galena Endangering the concept of democracy is not something I am willing to allow. Is that or is that not your intention?

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@alexbuzzbee @Galena
>Endangering the concept of democracy is not something I am willing to allow.
would you say that, no matter what anyone said, you wouldn't change your mind about the concept of democracy?

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@fluffy @Galena Unless I am shown very strong evidence to the contrary, I will persist in my belief that democracy, when correctly functioning, is the best currently-available system of government to protect civil liberties and avoid certain hazardous extremes.

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@alexbuzzbee @Galena Sounds utopic.

There are many legitimate criticisms of democracy, from Plato and Thucydides to Jefferson. You should probably balance your "belief" with some scholarship because you sound like a political radical.

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@fluffy @Galena "Democracy is good" doesn't sound like an extreme position to me.

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@alexbuzzbee @Galena

The famous quote goes, "democracy isn't good but it's better than the other choices", so yes, unless you mean it in the absolutely broadest sense, yes, it is an extreme position.

'X is good' is always a radical position. Reality is nuanced, and what is good depends on many factors.

for example, democracy was a disaster in post cold-war russia. It was a disaster for Iraq. Often, in poor countries, democracy means that rich foreign organizations can buy up the parliament and get exclusive privileges to exploit the natural resources. Most recently, this happened in Ukraine.

It's not necessarily bad. It's just one possible political organization.

Anyway, this whole topic is not really related because we are stuck with the american political system.

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@fluffy @Galena The American system is broken. It needs fixing. But the core democratic mechanisms are in my opinion functional. We should use them to fix the problems. Watch out for attempts at election interference, but keep voting. I think that is my final position in this discussion.

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@alexbuzzbee @Galena May the gods grant that your voting makes a big difference.

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@Galena @fluffy There is dangerous corruption in the press, which is, I believe, what the original version of this compilation was trying to highlight. That does not mean that the concept of something being dangerous to democracy is itself somehow problematic.

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@alexbuzzbee @fluffy This conversation reminded me of the clip, and I thought it was funny and relevant. I posted it before you mentioned endangering democracy.

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