I feel that if you want to stick to debian, try out MX Linux. It installs easily, let's you choose encryption.
Defaults without systemd, but you can enable it at boot.
Ships with flatpak, as well as testing and backports in their custom package manager.
Has the best themed XFCE out the box.
I don't know. It is home to me.
I get the same feelings with Manjaro. Used to use it exclusively, now I can't stand it.
Bonus, graphical LUKS password.
Ah, yeah, the installer is a bit minimal and opinionated.
I didn't realize that having a root account like that was not secure, I have to read up on that.
I like the quirk of using the root password when things get serious... and sudo-ing everything else.
I guess it is a bit redundant, but there is probably a way to make that more secure and useful.
Any other DE... yeah, it requires customizing.
@rebel_luddite @Mundon I used to think the same way about using root account and not having to sudo everything. Its just that if some one were to access your computer they have full access to everything. meh you will get used to using sudo in everything once you get a normal admin account if your willing to😁
Oh, yeah, any other distro, you use sudo for everything.
I just thought it was funny that it would make you put in the root password for their graphical updates and mx package installer, usb tools, etc.. but is absolutely bypassed when using the commandline.
I guess that is the actual reason. There are enough tools to administer the system for the new user, they never need touch the terminal.
I should make my life easier and stick to one pass.... no, that would be worse.
I bounced around a bit then just went back to Manjaro. The grass wasn't any greener. Found a updated library in the AUR/Github which lowered my CPU consumption by 20-30% when decoding 500+Mb/second of video over a network link. Some distros just choked out of the box. I'm running at 27% cpu with Arch.
I feel that. I think about going back to Manjaro for that very reason.
Want to know the petty reason I don't put up with it?
I hate the ugly text prompt for putting in the encryption password, and that it throws you into grub if you mess up.
That is the most hateful default.
I tried getting into Fedora, but the programs I like to use are inconsistently updated, and I don't want to go out of my way to add use repos just for one package.
Maybe look into ArtiX?
@rebel_luddite @Mundon Oh yea that shit happen to me today oh man did I hated that so much😠. even for a distro that is so popular on Distrowatch.com why couldn't they have made a GUI for the encryption prompt or a nicer better way of letting you unlock using the cli that doesn't throw you back to the grub menu when you mess up once. also another person on mastodon @werwolf told me that Arco was another good one to tryout
Oh, definitely. It is so modular, I don't know why I avoid it.
I guess I got on the "lowest ram possible" bandwagon and stayed on. XFCE fills that, it is simple, but damn it is simple.
Tiling WM is the ultimate in lean computing, but no way I am going to enjoy it as the ultimate look and feel, not even for aesthetics.
KDE is the lead on creating any UI you want, and make it truly futuristic.
I am not into retro revival. I like and use old things, but nostalgia is defeat.
I use fish whenever I remember to install it. Hah.
I am starting to get into scripting, and the recommendation to stick to bash, or dash if you want to be fully POSIX, is upsetting.
The recommendation is made so that your scripts are compatible with the universe.
Why care? It is your damn computer, who are you trying to please?
I may skip learning Bash scripting and just study fish.
For heavier things... I will learn guile.
Script-lang is a highly personal choice
And what then, start collecting scripts to run so I don't need to spend dumbass time getting it how I like it for every new install?
Automate the process so I only need to run a single post-installation script?
Learn how Arch packages programs so I can avoid the AUR, the biggest tease in the Linux world?
Fine. I'll look into that, but I will stop way before rolling my own ISOs.
@rebel_luddite @Mundon @0PT41N I do one install every 4-5 years or so, why would you reinstall your systems that often? My recommendation for arch only goes for personal systems, Personally I'd never use it for servers etc. AUR is great, never had anything not work from there that I couldn't fix.
But yeah if you don't want to learn, and want a distro that hides all the ugliness from you it's not for you.
@sotolf @Mundon @rebel_luddite In order for me to install Vanilla Arch Linux . I would have to manually set the partitions and do other complex things that I had never had to do on Debian based Distros before. Ill try it one last time to see if I can follow some guides and use the arch wiki for help
My motivational Links
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@0PT41N @Mundon @rebel_luddite I'd suggest against following a guide if possible, the wiki should be enough, if you feel like you have to follow a guide, make sure that it's a very recent one, and that it's using similar hardware to you, if you don't feel ready to do the install using only the wiki, then maybe using some derivate like arco or manjaro will be a better choice, I'd suggest doing a couple of test runs in a vm, and only try when you're feeling safe that you can do it.
@0PT41N @Mundon @rebel_luddite You have to do partitioning for most installs though no? if you're not comfortable using cfdisk you could always partition the disk using gparted in your current system before you start the install, then you just skip that step in the installing and just mount the partitons you already created. I rutinly have to repartition stuff with cfdisk at work so I'm kind of used to the cli tools.
@0PT41N @Mundon @rebel_luddite I skipped the partition part of the wiki because I already knew how to do ip. cfdisk is on the live image, so you can use that if you know it, I find it quite a bit easier to use than fdisk. But getting used to using tools like that is the reason why I would advise to do it in a vm once or twice before you do it live, just to make sure you don't break your system.
VMs are the greatest gift in computing.
VMs are perfect for practicing with new distros, since the installation is often the most difficult part, right next to learning a new init system and mastering a new package system, especially when they are source based.
Sometimes they are the perfect endgame environment, either for older and non-linux systems, or as a space for focused work, like writing.
I seriously need to take a course on Linux administration, either with a book, or one of the sites recommended on Reddit.
I can use Linux like I can speak Spanish, with is deceivingly less fluent than people think, and I am not able to express myself freely with any complex topic.
I recently discovered a Youtube channel called ServeTheHome, also a website, and I think I will begin there.
I have plenty old machines to play with. I just need to set them up learn.
After awhile, and admittedly it takes a long time, the honeymooon period of using Linux, the sheer novelty, ridding yourself of limiting and spying operating systems, any installation become a damn chore.
Getting out of beginner hell (where I apparently am) is necessary.
Scripting, automation, backing up. These are the most important things to learn at the outset.
Afterwards, you can really start to play.
Create programs through sheer piping. Compile stuff.
I've been using linux for over 15 years by now, I only install it once about every 4-5 years, when I get a new cheapo machine, it's not something you have to do often.
It's no problem, just go out of your comfort zone, run with a windowmanager instead of a big DE, debloat, write scripts that are convenient for you, learn how to understand configuration files, read logs etc, by far learning how to read logs is one of the most useful skills that you can have.
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