Everyday that passes, I get more and more confident that is just another bad solution. While trying to get rid of a terrible solution (WhatsApp), we fell for another bad alternative.
- It is super slow in development (despite of all increase in hype and donations and etc.)
- There is no tangible effort to bypass censorship (the TLS docker is a joke as there is no support and development !)
- It is not centralized
- Users don't adopt it because it lacks mainstream features.

The fact that they use specific phone numbers to send SMS, made it easy for certain countries to simply block those phone numbers and lock people out of their account even when they use proper proxy or VPN. This has been communicated with Signal support and they just followed up the case for couple of days and they never responded ever after.

There are of course alternatives and guess what, there is ALWAYS A BUT (usually with single T):

- Telegram: it is feature rich, cross-platform, cross-platform desktop app, public rooms, stickers, .... (but still there are concerns about its security/privacy. For example the conversations are not E2EE by default and it should be activated manually.


- Briar: it is secure, it can work even without internet connection. [I haven't used it recently] but perhaps it lacks many whistles and bells telegram has that can attract common people. Another downside is that it does not work on iOS! Any solution that is not cross-platform is practically useless and its adoption by good majority will never happen!

I just found movim.eu/ which is @xmpp based and claims to have almost everything and/or provide. The only BUT I have found so far is that there is no iOS app which is weird as I’m not sure if other XMPP iOS clients can support video call and other features.

P.s: for a software that claims FOSS federated solution, it is weird that they don’t have Mastodon account but they have Twitter!

This article touches upon some basic thoughts on what the “next” chat platform should be like:


There are some minor details that I disagree, but as a general structure, it is well inline with what the real next messenger platform should be like.


@xmpp Thanks for the information. I really appreciate it.

It seems @Monal doesn’t have video or voice call which is not a good match for movim.eu, and the siskin.im is product of @tigase which is feature-rich and cross-platform but the source of income and revenue is unclear regarding this app. The licensing and tiers for their servers are ambiguous to me:


To clarify, I don’t mind paying for a service (SUSE / RHEL), but should comply with my principals.

@cos of course, and I have many times discussed it before that the issue with Matrix is that it is not easy for common-man to work with. There is always issues like transferring the encryption keys and validating the sessions and etc. Matrix is great for tech savvy, but it is unusable for normies. When thinking about communication solutions, always consider a 75+ years old person. If they cannot feel comfortable with it, it doesn’t take off as a viable solution. That’s why Telegram is popular.

@cos I’m using Matrix for the past 1.5 years in daily basis with bunch of friends, but even I still have problems with validation of sessions when using Mirage on one computer and element on the other. Riot/element has came a long long way during this past year, but still I don’t see it as a solid solution to try to convert my family to it. It still feels unstable, especially the voice call that is always a coin toss in terms of quality.

@Mehrad ack. I haven't used VoIP much in Matrix. There has been some work on it recently though: matrix.org/blog/category/this-

@cos since you brought it up, you might also be interested to know that no messages is actually deleted from the server when user marks a message as deleted unless the server admins do some cleanup. This means that any implementation of auto-expiring message would practically never work. This is another big issue I have with matrix in general.

One good thing though is that the messages are editable after you have sent them unlike @Mastodon #256

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