Look, I get your frustration. But I go where people actually are. My audience is NOT hardcore Linux users. They're open-minded ones. users who don't diss people running Windows, or people who use commercial software.
Savvy developers go where their audience is.
@Linux4Everyone You don't seem to get my frustration. You could build up a bridge to a free alternative, and I wouldn't even care for your usage of Discord. But you are actually using your network coverage promoting commercial shit. Thats not the spirit of FOSS.
@gcrkrause if a quality and comparable FOSS alternative to Discord existed, I WOULD promote it first.
@Linux4Everyone Thanks for proving you are not even interested in a discussion about this. Have a nice day, bye
@gcrkrause I'm sorry but @Linux4Everyone is not in the wrong here. As a Linux user through and through, I've yet to see any kind of an alternative to Discord that is easy to deploy, easy to cross-pollinate between servers, and easy to use.
And before you say, Matrix isn't it because it's hard to deploy and onboard. I know because I had to waste a solid week's worth of free time to figure out which parts to drop and which to map in certain ways in a docker-compose.
@root also I can't see how your anecdote of a matrix deployment proofs anything. Its harder to deploy something which needs to be deploy compared to something which doesn't? That's cool. Its also easier to use the preinstalled windows on notebooks and still nobody in Foss community would promote it.
I mean, I have no problems with you using it. Actually I have an account there, too. But I don't like this uncritical promoting of proprietary networks in the Foss world these days.
@gcrkrause what's hypocritical about using networks with the largest known reach and easiest onboarding process?
If there was a F/OSS alternative to Discord that was just as easy to onboard into and in which basically nigh everyone in the F/OSS community (and adjacent) were present in some way, he'd be there. Hell, I'd be there.
There isn't. So he's basically, in a way, stuck using the tools available right now.
@gcrkrause I see your point on two fronts:
If looking at it from a F/OSS "hardliner" point of view, yes, you might have remotely something to argue.
However, L4E is trying to do communications and coordination stuff. So even though you might have a point from a F/OSS hardliner lens, F/OSS being about choice (in my opinion), these FOSS creators are free to join the Discord instance - or not. It's up to them.
Telling L4E "knock it off with proprietary chat tools" is gatekeeping.
@root I did not said this. Please just stop mentioning me if you don't even read what I wrote. thanks.
@interru And I never mentioned Matrix, why are you? I never asked to migrate somewhere, I did not promoted matrix.
Please just read what I wrote before blaming me for random nonsense.
Leaving the whole floss discussion aside for a bit, is Discord the best choice?
I've been using it for years and it's just horrible. My calls drop every single day, notifications don't show, the client is electron based eating a ton of resources, the mic quality is abysmal in private servers, etc.
I had a beter experiance using EVEN skype or ms teams
@Linux4Everyone please do not use Discord for FOSS things, it is really promoting bad practices...
getting really hard to avoid now :(
@falktx I have 700+ people in our Discord server. Should I NOT tell them about all the great projects FOSS developers are working on?
Please, please, do not have this kind of gatekeeping attitude.
@Linux4Everyone it is not gatekeeping to want open-source, privacy-respecting tools for the community.
might as well be on facebook then, it has the largest amount of users possible.
as someone who cares about my own privacy, sorry but services like those are abhorrent.
on an alternative POV.. what about all the people that are not ok with discord ToS? they can't join your community.
I'm not saying that you shouldn't use discord at all. We have to be in non-private platforms to share the message of privacy to those who don't know, talking about the importance of privacy on a privacy friendly platform is like preaching to the choir. I'm just saying that you shouldn't promote the use of these platforms, we're on it just cause there are more people on them.
@futureisfoss fair enough. but feels very odd (to say the least) to be asking people to join such platforms.
it is a tricky situation... as a developer I do not want to promote or even tolerate abusive choices from some platforms. yet 99% of people are on there.
it sets a bad example for others in my view, where it can easily lead to the impression that these platform practices are tolerable.
so while we purposefully avoid those places, how do we reach their people at the same time? we can't :(
In this case, the matrix bridge helps a lot imo. Matrix users appear as bots in discord, this sometimes start a conversion about matrix among discord users. Another thing to keep in mind is to never promote such platforms - in the above message, he could've at least mentioned matrix and talk about discord as a second option. I don't know what he himself use, but its better to be on a FOSS platform, so that his followers see him use it and maybe decides to join.
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