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Do we have connoisseurs on the that can recommend a good coffee machine? ☕

@Gina Go for low tech ! French press if you like your coffee long, or Bialetti moka if you like it ristretto !

@Gina In both case, an electric grinder will be a valuable addition : a freshly ground coffee is so much better ! 🥰☕

@agarwaen @Gina +1! I'd invest in a barazza encore grinder and use it with cloth filters or Aeropress. That grinder is probably our next coffee investment too.

@agarwaen @Gina

I would mostly agree, but prefer Aeropress for Americano (Dutch coffee) rather than French press. It is cleaner because of the little filter.

@Gina Well... depends. Personally, I've a hardcore French Press user for quite a while now, both because I'm really happy with the coffee quality and because it's relatively easy in terms of maintenance and operation. Not sure this is what you're looking for, though... 🙂

@Gina I am not that much of a connoisseur (Lidl extra gebrand and Porsche regular caffee machine works for me), but a friend of mine swears by Vibiemme.

@Gina oh, and he's Italian too, living in Milan, soooo.. ;)

@humanetech @Gina
I've heard a genuine excitement and appreciation for the "Rocket Espresso" machines rocket-espresso.com/

Perhaps you might find something interesting there.

@Gina I don't know what you mean by coffee machine, but Moccamaster is the trusted classic. moccamaster.nl/

@Gina Oh yeah, that's coffee maker. Since espresso is Italian I'd go with @humanetech recommendation.

@Gina I don't know if I'd call myself a conoisseur, but when Sydney started locking down a year ago we bought a Breville Barista Express. It's a decent mid-range machine, and works pretty well for my two-adult household drinking 1-2 cups a day. https://www.breville.com/au/en/products/espresso/bes870.html

@Gina
If you go for a Bialetti, I highly recommend the Bricca.

@Gina not a connoisseur more ritualistic! I love my Bialetti Moka two cup. It's so simple and small enough to throw in my bag when I go camping and makes coffee in two minutes.

@Gina
ha ha, and.. and as reactions came in, all brands that existed on planet Earth were mentioned, showing once more that "good coffee is in the Eye of the Beholder" :D

@humanetech @Gina

Never underestimate the social, cultural, economical and technological power of coffee. ^_^

@Gina it really depends on what kind of coffee you want. Are you looking for an expresso machine or are you looking for something that makes filter type coffee?
Do you want to grind beans or use ready ground?
Do you want coffee ready for when you wake up in the morning or can you function enough to make it?

@Gina depends on what you want. I use the Philips Grind & Brew for my daily driver. But if I really want to enjoy my cup, I use a Hario hand grinder to grind the beans and a Hario V60 with unbleached and wetted filter paper.

If you want espresso, a Sage Barista Express is *very very good* or as a cheaper option the Sage Bambino Plus, but then you still need a decent grinder.

@sexybiggetje @Gina In between those two is the Aeropress. Closer to an espresso result, but inexpensive and compact so good to take camping when needed. I use it with the Hario hand grinder as well, but there are powered grinders that can speed up the process if needed.

@sexybiggetje
I have Barrista express. It is absolutely amazing. Been making wonderful coffee for about 5 years now. Its like having a hipster café in your house. But with any of the methods, places like Rum Baba and Boca locally roast some excellent beans.
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@Gina obviously milage varies depending on the style of coffee preferred.

But I'll add my vote to others.

I have a stove top mokka pot for short coffee.
I have a v60 pour over for long coffee.

Simple is best for me.

@Gina What I swear by is a simple system with one of these 1980s cone thingies, and whatever type of kettle is at hand.

Really, it boils down to exactly what a Mr. Coffee does, but I want more control over how the water gets dumped into the filter.

So if you want drip coffee, my advice is to choose how involved you want your mornings to be: A Mr. Coffee will do the job. A Chemex and a €200 Stagg EKG will give you much more precise results, but it's quite a time investment for a cup of joe.

@Gina we have mocca master everywhere, might be that I like it the most because it is what I'm used to though.

@Gina will be a long thread :-) Not an expert but happy with our Pavoni and separate grinder. (I went to that coffee expert shop in Utrecht aan de Lijnmarkt, Van Pommeren vanpommeren.nl/.)

@Gina Clearly you’ve asked the right crew about coffee...

For me, it’s a Bonavita One Touch drip machine and an Oxo Brew Conical Burr Grinder. Love the machines.

@Gina Lelit MaraX FTW, if you're looking for that kind.
Very accessible, excellent espresso from the start, low energy consumption, relatively small, good value.

@Gina consider trying a manual espresso machine. I have a Flair and apparently ROK are good too. They are quite different but make great coffee. You may also want a grinder and frother depending on how you take it.

@Gina
Me: Junior express for Espresso

Wife: Arzum Okka for Turkish coffee

Important: Graef grinding machine and fresh 100% Arabica beans

@Gina Advocating for portafilters! chaos.social/@Xjs/105759572690 – however, this isn’t an option if you’re on a budget. You’ll have to spend a few hundred euros at least even for the most basic variant.

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@Gina
I don't drink coffee myself, but @Siiw uses a #FrenchPress.

She either uses pre-ground beans (usually when she lacks time or doesn't want to make noise), or grinds her own with a DeLonghi grinder I found on finn.no (Norwegian Marktplaats-like solution) for about 10 bucks, which you just fill up with beans and will provide a consistent portion at a consistent coarseness (both adjustable).

Before that she used an electric hand-grinder; an old Braun (and before it broke down, a Philips) that came from my parents', possibly grandparents', kitchen that was decades old but barely used. Not sure if she noticed a difference quality wise between the Philips/Braun, and the full-automatic DeLonghi, but the latter provides a more consistent grind.

The french press solution is simple enough that someone who doesn't know how to make #coffee, can easily make a couple of cups as well.

Pros:

+ Doesn't require electricity as long as you have ground coffee and boiled water
+ Easy to clean; just a glass jar, a metal rod and a metal filter, which are easy to separate and wash by hand (probably dishwasher proof too? wouldn't know as we don't have one)
+ Trivial to make multiple cups as long as the container you bought is large enough
+ Can also be used to make a pot of tea using tea leaves. (Though if you don't clean the filter well enough, I guess it might leak some flavour/aroma into the tea if you use it for a lot of coffee.)
+ Doesn't have to be expensive.
+ Doesn't need to take up a lot of space, though see cons for a bit more on this.

Cons:

— It's not an instant cup of coffee. You need to take the time for your water to boil, the coffee to brew, and optimally the beans to grind, into account.
— Consistency depends on how much grounds you add, the coarseness of the grounds, the temperature of your water, and how long you brew it for. This sort of applies to all methods though, so it just depends on how much you want to automate it. A manual or adjustable solution doea give you more control to experiment to find your preferred combination.
— You would usually end up making a pot for multiple cups, and it doesn't take an external heat supply. Keep this in mind if you usually drink multiple cups in a sort period of time, as if you are a slow drinker, or get distracted, you might find your second or third cup quite a bit cooled down.
— French presses come in various sizes. If you just make coffee for yourself, and maybe a partner, you probably just can use one with a small container.If you also want to serve to multiple guests, you are probably better off with a large container. Or a small and large one to be used depending on the occasion. (I've basically claimed our large one for tea, but when we have guests it can be used again for coffee.)This does add up to the space used, but it's probably still less than a semi-professional espresso machine.
— Depending on the quality of your filter, you might find some sludge at the bottom of your cup

Perhaps my missus has more points to add. :)

(edits: fixed mention and formatting (I hope...))

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@FiXato @Gina I'd like to add one thing. The press is extremely versatile. You can make your coffee as strong as you like by varying the grind and time. My press is small, and I have discovered that it does better with finer grind since it cools down so quickly. The old grinders produced a lot more sludge with a grind that fine.

@Gina instead of a recommendation, I gone you a resource: prima-coffee.com/learn

Disclaimer: I used to work for them as a web developer, and product recommendations are based on the US market. But coffee is an individual pursuit, so knowing what you like is as important as knowing what’s good.

@Gina I love my Breville Precision Brewer. Purchased last December to replace an aging machine. My partner and I are impressed.

@Gina Moka: Bialetti is the best bialetti.com/it_it/caffettiere

Espresso: Gaggia, Delonghi but the price may vary. It depends on functionalities.

@Gina Bezzera Magica plus a good grinder. I have mine since 2014 and it makes one hell of an espresso

@Gina I've been happy with the Breville (Sage) Precision Brewer.

What kind of coffee do you like?
I use the BPB when I make coffee for my wife and myself in the morning.
I do V60 pour-over for myself in the afternoon.
I used to exclusively do aeropress and I still do if I want an espresso style coffee (ie. Lattes). Aeropress is extremely versatile and you can do coffee different styles with it.

James Hoffman has been an invaluable resource for me as I've learned about coffee.

@Gina We pick up old espresso machines, they often keep working for many years, especially after a good descaling.

@Gina I've got a lot of coffee gadgets the thing is if you put good coffee ind you'll get good coffee out. Aeropress are great same for a v60 or a Bodum french press.

@Gina what kind of coffee do you like drinking, and how much or how little do you enjoy the prep process?

@Gina I would spend the money on the grinder, not the coffeemaker - I have one of these breville.com/us/en/products/co - and a pourover kettle, and it's great.

@Gina The most common flaw in an auto drip machine is just not getting the water hot enough for proper extraction. If you're trying to choose in a store, look for the one that uses the most power but that just makes the coffee (if it grinds and brews then when it breaks you're out both). Another good feature to look for is brewing into an insulated carafe instead of having a hot plate, though the hot plate isn't a deal breaker if you decant to a carafe right away.

@Gina If you're on a budget, Bodum makes a drip brewer (Bistro, but double check the product category because they use the same name for several completely different things) that's quite good for the price (has a hot plate, but does get the water hot enough).

@Gina I would not recommend a device that uses anything that creates a disposable carterage per cup.

@Gina Depends of your budget, but Rancilio Silvia, even second hands, is a great start. In theory, it is wise to spend the same amount on a decent grinder. But getting freshly grinded coffee once a week from a shop using a professional grinder turned out being largely satisfying for us

@Gina I worked my way through college as a "baristo" making some of the best small batches roasted coffee I've ever had. The only thing close is Stumptown

I've done the AeroPress, the french press, the coffee machine, but I always go back to the pour over and electric kettle. Any beer brewer will tell you that it's all about the temperature. Mine is 85-87C.

@Gina The French press is definitely my favorite, though not the best for flavored coffees in my opinion.

If it must be an electric coffee pot, I can vouch for the Cuisinart Brew Central. That's what has been in my kitchen for almost twenty years. The first one lasted somewhere around 12-15 years but started shutting off prematurely in the brew cycle.

Whatever you choose, use filtered water to avoid mineral deposits. Some pots have tank filters, but it is cheaper to use a filtered pitcher.

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