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I work for Mama Cash, an amazing NGO that supports women, girls, trans and intersex rights. We have an environmental justice portfolio that funds those that suffer the most from climate change. Unfortunately we're almost out of funds, so we're trying to raise at least 20K.

My goal is to raise 500 euro. If you can, please help by donating:

The largest donation will receive a personalized gift from me 🎉


1. This is a one-time thing. I'm here because I enjoy talking about FOSS related things, not to hassle you for money. :)

2. Sorry that the page is only available in Dutch. If you click the last checkbox ("Ik blijf graag anoniem als donateur") then you can make an anonymous donation.

3. Donations really go to groups that do incredible work under life threatening conditions. I've personally met land rights activists from Latin America and Africa. Example:

@Gina sad to see that the video has only 8 views at the time of writing. Maybe the information was redundant to most people? 🤔

@RyuKurisu Dunno, for me it shows 26 views. It's only been online since yesterday evening though, hopefully it will show more views soon.

@Gina @RyuKurisu I'd be more open to such things if they would not try to target only a single group based on their genitals. If only they could treat people as equals, which feminists say they want, but rarely put into practice.

@tyil @RyuKurisu As long as one group is still more underprivileged compared to the other we'll keep differentiating.

@Gina @RyuKurisu Then you're part of the problem.

When you apply statistics long enough, you'll always find a disparity between two groups. If you want to focus on that so you can only fight for the problems of a single group, instead of fighting for everyone that has those problems, you're being divisive. In this particular case, since you make it explicitly about gender, it makes you sexist.

If you want to see equality, perhaps you should start by treating people equally.

@tyil @RyuKurisu @Gina Women fighting for their rights, it has been going on a while. Let's agree it's not done yet.

If I understand you, we should just fight for inequality in general, so women's rights will come automatically on the back of it?

There is no historical proof of that ever working, for any oppressed group.

@mplammers @RyuKurisu @Gina

>If I understand you, we should just fight for inequality in general,

I'm saying the exact opposite, very interesting in how you can twist the words you read. I'm saying to treat people equal if you want to see equality. Clearly, you don't wish for this, and just try to fight fire with fire.

@tyil @RyuKurisu @Gina Ah. That was a typo. I meant to say "against", where I said "for".

@mplammers @RyuKurisu @Gina In that case yes, you should fight inequalities as equals. Fighting fire with fire here won't solve the issue, at best it will just propagate the same problems the other way around.

We're all people, why not be the change you supposedly want to see, and treat all people as equal people?

@tyil @RyuKurisu @Gina Treatment is one thing, rights are another. No moral standard is universally upheld or adhered to, meaning someone might think they own a person. We need something better than "let's be nice" there right?

@mplammers @RyuKurisu @Gina No, the same applies to rights. You should grant everyone equal rights if you think people should be equal. That translates in practice to equal treatment, since everyone has the same rights.

Ignoring the problems of one group, whether this be a missing "right" or not, is quite divisive, and will not accomplish anything positive in the long run. Things like climate change affects all humans. It's shortsighted and blatantly sexist to pretend it affects some people more because of what gender they identify with. With behaviour like this, you can't consider yourself in favour of equal rights (or treatment) without being hypocritical.

Again, if you want to see equality (which it seems you do), you should treat people as equals. "Practice what you preach" is a saying that comes to mind...

@tyil @RyuKurisu @Gina Obviously it would be great if we could fix climate change itself.

In the meantime, I don't think it's immoral, or sexist, to help even specific groups of people who are in trouble.

@mplammers @RyuKurisu @Gina If you seperate the group by sex and focus only on a single one based on their sex, that is literally sexist by definition of the word.
@mplammers @RyuKurisu @realcaseyrollins @Gina To quote the title "hurts women more". This means that it hurts both genders. Why then pretend like only women need assistance? Why can't we help all people, and treat them, you know, equal. What if there is a man affected higher than the *average* of effect women feel? Why does he not deserve any assistance, but women do?

This is just blatant sexism, and in no way correlates to any form of equality. Treat people as people.

@tyil @RyuKurisu @realcaseyrollins @Gina You repeat it, but I think you've failed to prove your "blatant sexism" statement.

The climate problems here coincide with existing abusive traditions, creating double victims, with one pattern amplifying the other.

When this kind of thing happens, helping out these double victims makes twice as much sense.

@mplammers @RyuKurisu @realcaseyrollins @Gina As someone who would prefer equality, I'd prefer you help out all victims.

If you don't recognize behaviour that perfectly fits the definition of the word "sexism" as sexism, there's no further discussion possible.
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