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Pregnant friends 

I'm for multiple reasons. I refuse to bring more people into a world when:
- we're doing nothing about the climate crisis
- there's a literal genocide going on in Yemen
- workers still don't own the surplus value of their labor
- China's social credit system will probably come to the West
- women are still subhuman in most places on earth
- capital increasingly overrules democracy

Celebrating new life is hard. Sorry for the negativity. Hope you all enjoy your weekend.

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@Gina many of those reasons are why my wife and I decided to adopt instead of having our own.

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@kev @Gina

Those can be tough choices for some people.

Having 3 kids, who are adults now, that don't stay in contact with me, for varying reasons. I doubt that I would do it again.

Children can also hurt each other, and you, in ways that you wouldn't have thought, and cause a rift in a family that may never recover.

I DO have some great stepchildren that I spend quite a bit of time with.

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@kev oh wow, that's really great!

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@Gina I agree with the climate crisis one, the women being treated as property is also very valid. Ultimately it’s what is important to you. We are, however, in a “birth deficit” in many developed nations. Meaning more people are dying off than are being brought into the world. That has interesting implications around elder care, continuity and the workforce as a whole. No crisis, yet.

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@ndegruchy @Gina

There is no Right or Wrong answer. - The birthrate will decline in the next 50 years or so, with the "modernization" (?) of some of the third world countries. - I think I saw a TED talk on this.

But yes, it would seem that To many people are part of the reason for Climate Change.

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@ndegruchy @Gina seems like that problem can, and in my opinion should, be solved via immigration

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@Gina life is too complex to have opinions on others choices. Sometimes we have to accept them and mourn with them when they need to, celebrate with them when its needed.

Humanity, our shared experience is sometimes way more relevant than opinions and facts.

So I would celebrate your friends joy, if not the new life itself. Just like you would mourn with them when dark things happen.

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@Gina chinas system prob wont come to the US. They can keep that crap.

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@jordan31 the US already has a credit system though.

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@Gina yes, but I have faith something worse like their social credit system wouldn't become a thing in the US. I'm ok with our current credit system (don't care for it) but it could be worse. Anythung more and we stop being America. The requirement of real ID and all the papers required reminds most of my (old) friends of Nazi Germany. It is concerning, but hopefully we don't go down further these slippery slopes.

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@Gina What about bringing people in the world and educating them on stuff like this so that they actually would change the world for the better?

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@asko they still use precious resources, and you can't really guarantee that they will do good for the world. Still, it's only my opinion.

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@Gina
Nitpick: I think capital always overruled democracy, we're just more aware of it now.

We had our kids biologically, and I love them more than anything. But looking at the state of the world, we should have adopted children instead.

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@Gina These are the exact reasons my partner and I plan on either never having kids, or adopting. Adoption is a great alternative to making more humans.

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@Gina
It's a personal choice and a huge responsibility. I don't think there's a universal correct answer for everyone. If you don't want children or have the ability and dedication to love, nurture and raise them properly, you shouldn't procreate. If a friend chooses to procreate, my feeling is that we should celebrate that life with all that is in us and contribute to that life as best we can.

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@Gina
Those are all very reasonable factors! I don't think being childfree is such a bad idea at all. Having kids has been the hardest thing I've struggled through in my life.

I must say I never regretted being a parent. Hard? Sure, but not something that is difficult.

Don't get me wrong, everyone should be able to decide for themselfs, I do respect that. But is telling pregnant friends they are wrong (it looks like it) is not a good start. Just respect them as they respect you.

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@Gina The world will never be perfect and those who come after us will always have issues of varying degrees to live and deal with. If everyone waited for heaven on earth, no one would exist.

It's understandable if you are not ready to help a new life to face the reality that you find yourself in (I'm not either), but instead of negativity I think you should offer respect and support for those who are (and maybe some perspective if they are lacking it).

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